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Subject: Ability/Desirability of Former Eastern Bloc Forces To Conduct Offensive Ops in SWA (ME)
Nichevo    5/30/2004 12:49:53 AM
In cooperation, say, with NATO or the UN or the coalition. If they decided to take a big share of the load (and how would we define that in a positive fashion; aside from present contributions such as the division led by the Poles, what role and in what numbers exactly would we most welcome further growth of members of the coalition?

Would we really want any Russian, Pakistani, Indian, Chinese, Malaysian, Filipino, Vietnamese, Bostwanan, Ghanaian, Malian, SA/Zim, other Eastern European or Central Asian troops?

Good Lord, I suppose French troops might be the best we could hope for, in terms of partners we have not yet with us. I might say Japan, though it must be that those hostages were all released alive and unharmed, because I had not noticed an expeditionary force arriving as hoped from JSDF. Or others I have yet to mention.

The Russians and possibly any mix of former Eastern Bloc states might (Russians surely could) provide reasonably valuable services to the coalition mission in Iraq. One function they might serve, of course, is in sheer numbers and short commutes. But a) can they interoperate, b) are they stand-up and/or talented individuals, c) can they really be trusted?

Say Putin comes to Washington and tells Bush: "Hey tovarishch, you can go home now. I have great news! The Duma has authorized me to offer 200,000 troops. When do you want 'em and how are they gonna eat? Or at least we can stay and keep you company. Damn if former Soviet troops can't run convoys like anybody else. We got a zillion guys speak the language...Hey, we'll translate for you! Want to give us some intelligence files to work on? Maybe we can sort out some of these bustards for you the old-fashioned way as long as you can keep the media off of us (or won't miss 'em)."

What does President Bush say?

Comments welcome.

 
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KiloHound    No, Russia won't ever send troops to Iraq   6/6/2004 4:51:11 AM
It's impossible. No Russian president will ever do that, because Russia already has Chechnya, and she doesn't need more. I understand small countries like Poland and Ukraine needed to suck up to the USA, that's why they sended troops.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Ability/Desirability of Former Eastern Bloc Forces To Conduct Offensive Ops in SWA (ME)   6/24/2004 2:03:32 PM
Ukraine and Poland have sizeable commitments already in country. Japan's contingent is also already on the ground -- and were there prior to the Japanese hostages being seized, if memory serves (on the other hand, their force is less than 400 personnel, I think).
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:Ability/Desirability of Former Eastern Bloc Forces To Conduct Offensive Ops in SWA (ME)   11/28/2005 12:32:44 PM
>> Russian, Pakistani, Indian, Chinese, Malaysian, Filipino, Vietnamese, Bostwanan, Ghanaian, Malian, SA/Zim, other Eastern European or Central Asian troops? << First off I note that Nichevo hasnt been seen around for some time, so I might be talking into empty space... ... neither Paks, Indians, Chinese, Viets, Malays, Fillipinos, nor South Africans were Eastern Bloc nations for sure. And yeah, they wanted Pak and/or Indian soldiers for counter-insurgency, BUT not for intial offensive action. Both have extensive COIN and peace-keeping experience, numbers, and are English-speaking. But both have trouble with inter-operability, human-rights (for COIN ops), and simmering anti-American sentiments in forces. The Paks have advantage of being Muslims, being autocratic, and having had closer relations with US during Cold War. Disadvantages they are Muslim, and fade in numbers vis a vis India. Indians have the advantage of being secular, democratic, more COIN experience and better human rights record. Disadvantages: they are secular and pollytheistic in a largely Islamic environ, democratic so cant simply order in the troops.
 
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