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Subject: Islamic Myths
SYSOP    9/30/2014 5:35:06 AM
 
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avatar3    More Realities   9/30/2014 8:44:33 AM
 " many in the West are either ignorant of these realities, or simply refuse to believe it."
 
Here are a couple of more realities. 1) This is not 1939, their are not that many Jews left in Europe to blame wars, economic failure, plague, fire and insidious plot on. 2) There have been three nations called  Israel located in the same place, 1st Kingdom 1000-586BC, 2nd Kingdom 538-63BC and 1948 to Present. These Jewish Nations survive for about 400 +/- years. Going by previous history I would guess that the current State of Israel has another  340+ years to go.  3) They have the atomic weapons and aircraft, submarines and people capable of using them.
 
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vijayshimla    Islamic Myths   9/30/2014 10:36:31 AM
Very rightly pointed out by the author, the problem lies in the very nature of the religion, Islam. It is the most intolerant philosophy, and has refused to change with times. It is not only hatred of Israel, Islam is Intolerant of all religions. Where Moslems are in majority they have always been intolerant of persons of other faiths. I think every body forgets about the biggest genocide of all times, about Tens of Million Hindus put to sword by Moslem invaders of India in 10 to 17th century.
 
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EvanH       9/30/2014 2:12:45 PM
It must be something in the hummus or grape leaves. Muslims in India, Malaysia or Indonesia simply do not have the problems that the Arabs do. Maybe something to do with the still powerful tribal mindset in the latter?
 
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avatar3    Mass Psychosis   9/30/2014 5:17:59 PM
Maybe they are weak minded and suffering from a self feeding mass Psychosis. The Jihads from the West come from an affluence of information, they have access to computers, public libraries, non religious schools, newspapers, TV and radio. Yet they withdraw from their friends and families, start thinking about hurting and killing, suicide, and fantasizing about a Caliphate that never existed, then off they go. The Jihads of the Middle East Arabs are suspicious of everything that is not in their narrow band of religious education (often their only education). Their public speakers rant and rave with angst and depression a part of every composition - facts and logic don't register. They are suicidal, talk about revenge and their obsession with death. Unlike the Jihads from the West, poverty, dictatorship, lack of individual rights, poor employment prospects, serfdom, slavery, brutality also could lead to a Psychosis.
 
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honestly       9/30/2014 11:24:39 PM
hi guys first time caller long time listener as they say. I'm just really curious and have but a single question. What Arab countries are left in the middle east who wish to destroy Israel who are not currently allies of the united states. My apologies if there's a lack of knowledge on my part.
 
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trenchsol       10/1/2014 5:25:25 AM
@EvanH
 
I think that Muslims in India do cause problems, a lot of them. I am not sure about  Malaysia, but Indonesia does have its share of radicalism related problems. The same goes for European nations with large Muslim population like Bosnia and Albania.
 
@honestly
 
As far as I know, all Arab countries have population which dreams about destruction of Israel. No matter who are the allied with. That is how Arabs are born and raised. Most of them never question that belief, as far as I understand. That mindset is often mocked in Sacha Baron Cohen (know as Borat) movies, perhaps they can give you some insight.
 
 
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joe6pack       10/1/2014 5:42:38 PM
Honestly.. my 2 cent opinion (and that's maybe over estimating it's value) is that with few exceptions.. Most of the 'leadership' in Arab countries don't really give a flip about Isreal. In fact Isreal provides them with two excellent services. The 'we hate israel' is for public consumption. 1) scapegoat - never mind how bad we are running things.. it's the fault of all those dang Jews (worked for many a European despot, for many a century.. seems to be working for Arab despots) 2) keeps the Palestineans busy.. they aren't really wanted by other Arab nations.. and without an Israel.. they would likely cause for their neighbors.. As has been there history. This actually goes into my 1 cent theory that the Palestinean leadership really wants Israel to stick around.. without a Jewish scapegoat. . The people they are supposed to be governing might catch on to how incompetent and massively corrupt they are..
 
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Nate Dog    honestly   10/3/2014 6:24:29 PM
Not really that complex a question. Other than that being allied with US doesn't end the call for Israel's annihilation.
So: All the emirate states, call for israels destruction, not a single one of them recognises Israel as a country. Same goes for Saudi Arabia. Each one has a govt that has the public stance along the lines of "we will be the last arabs to recognise israel". A race to the bottom doesn't have many winners.
Syria obviously.  Non Arab but Iran doesnt recognise and calls for Israels destruction. Lebanon. the same. 

2 countries that recognise Israel are Jordan and Egypt. Jordan has 10 million palestinians out of a population of 11 million. The'd all happily see Israel wiped off the planet. Egyptian TV, has some truly lovely rhetoric about Israel and its many many faults, as well as its responsibility to an arabs many woes.  
The worst part is Arab children's TV. In all countries in the middle east. Seseame street like shows in Arabic, frequently call for  death to Jews, and other such nonsense. Examples abound. See youtube.
As stated above. Arabs are universely ruled by despots.  Not propaganda, though it'll sound like it, the only Arabs in the middle east with a democratic vote that actually might mean something are citizens of Israel. Said Arab despots tend to mismanage their countries, and embezzle any profits that country might generate (the rest of us call it growth), much easier to blame a vague foreign enemy than front up to the fact I'm robbing you blind and what I'm not stealing I'm miss managing so badly, that every official bellow me down to the lowest council official is stealing whats left.
 
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Nate Dog    i call BS   10/6/2014 7:09:15 PM
Speaking of Islamic myths:
 
Does anyone believe this nonsense or is this just a stage pic for the yokels to admire?
Turkey is bordering on opening an ISIS embassy, now they talk of making war.
Feel sorry for the Kurds, doubt for one second the Turks will attack the only force harming their perceived foes, the Kurds.

Besides which, apart from the whole nonsense of lining up a company on a hill to be taken out with 1 artillery barrage, these are their old reserve forces being dug out from mothballs.
Doubt a single one of those guns is still certified to send a round down range.
Ive seen what the Turks were rocking 15 years ago, and it wasn't these 1960's relics.
Upgunned, up armoured, reactive armour covered, sporting 120mm guns, with thermal sights. Wherever Turkeys real Tank divisions are based, these aren't them. 
 
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Jeff_73       10/8/2014 6:31:32 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782308/Black-flag-ISIS-raised-outskirts-Syrian-border-town-amid-furious-fighting-jihadists-Kurds-Turkish-tanks-prepare-worst.html The first, smaller "tank" looks very much like a Bradley IFV and along with an armoured car of some sort. The close-up of the Turkish tank looks almost identical (obviously, with different painted markings) to this picture of a US m60a3, photographed in the FDR during 1985. I would hazard a guess that these tanks are either an Army Reserve (USA equiv: National Guard) brigade or there was a military museum nearby that loaned them out for a media event to make it look like Turkey might actually do something help some Kurds. My cynical nature tends me think that the Turks will hem & haw long enough for the MICE* to over-run Kobani and then to move in to squash the battle-weary jihadis with a real Turkish army division, if they actually do anything at all. Apart from tear-gassing refugees and reporters, that is. *militant islamc caliphate extremists
 
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