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Subject: Genocide?
jevrex73@aol.com    7/4/2002 8:54:29 PM
Perhaps it takes some level of intellect to realize the driving problem underlying the issue of Palestine - a forty year-old Israeli occupation, which contravenes numerous UN and international laws. Israel has flouted international law and consensus by continuing their colonial practice of building illegal settlements on occupied land (violation of Article 49). The simple question is, aside from the genocide of the Palestinian nation in the years since 1948 which the reader fails to even mention (as if the Palestinians are not suffering in the least under Israel''s brutal, illegal, and terroristic regime), is whether or not Jews onsider themselves above international law, that they do not need bother adhering to internationally accepted codes of conduct? It is important to remember that Israel''s use of terror to achieve their goals, going back to the infamous actions of the Stern Gang and the Haganah, (to name just two Jewish death squads)prior to and after 1948, precedes any ultra-violent Palestinian resistance and reaction to said state terror, as we have seen with the horrific homicide bombings. But as Americans are quite unable to ask "why such things occur", it is no wonder that America''s "51st state" - Israel - also chooses to ignore its supreme culpability in the matter, in line with the unilateral imperial actions of its surrogate.
 
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Phoenix Rising    RE:Genocide?   7/5/2002 1:21:28 AM
We're going for international law now, are we? Article 6 states that nationals of any state which are not party to the Convention are not protected by it. The Palestinians are not. Article 28 states that presence of protected persons may not be used to render any area immune from military attack. In other words, no hiding behind human shields. Article 33 states that all means of collective punishment and terrorism are prohibited. The Palestinians are clearly guilty of terrorism and by most American and Israeli arguments would be guilty of collective punishment as well, unless the Palestinians could produce evidence of an internationally recognized offense (note: being Jewish does not count, nor does assisting the economy of a state whose government one does not like) being committed by people in ice cream parlors, pizzerias, train stations, and Bah Mitzvah's for fourteen-year-old girls. There are others, but I've been through this a hundred times and I'm really getting sick of it. Go spew your hatred somewhere else ... or go learn a little more about international law and come back with a better argument. --Phoenix Rising
 
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bsl    RE:Genocide?   8/22/2002 6:25:17 PM
jevrex, What nonsense. 1)"Occupied land" Really? "Occupied" **from** (not "by") whom? Since that land has never EVER been the sovereign territory of ANY nation since the conquest from the Turkish Empire, just exactly *how* do you arrive at the conclusion that it is "occupied"? You're big on international law. Do you know what "unassigned" or "undistributed" land is? Such as, "The land formerly part of the British Palestine Mandatory Territory which was illegally conquered by **Transjordan** in 1947 and taken by Israel in 1967 has yet to be permanently assigned to any state or nation under international law". 2)"genocide of the Palestinian nation" LOL English isn't your first language, is it? I deduce this from you misuse of both the term "genocide" and the term "Palestinian nation". According to the Arab world, including the Arab League there is no "Palestinian nation". There is only one "Arab nation". They said so, in many, many official pronouncements for decades. Didn't you know? Indeed, the first time you find the arabs speaking of such a thing is barely a generation ago. Until well into the 1980s, the official Arab line was that the land was an unalienable part of Jordan (Judea and Samaria) and the ONLY acceptable Israeli action would be to return it to Jordan. This is news to you? What Palestinian nation? Please, tell us all. There was never such a thing in the history of the world. Not back for the last 3000 years. So, please do let us all know where you found it. "Genocide". Very amusing. How droll you are. Are there Palestinians? Yes? Then there doesn't appear to have been a "genocide". You can tell what a genocide looks like. The easiest way is to look for the limitless piles of corpses. There's no doubt that there was a fair attempt at genocide in Cambodia. There's no doubt that the Holocaust was a genocide. The total Arab dead (ALL arabs; not just Palestinians) in ALL the Arab wars of extermination since 1947 don't add up to the deaths in the tiny state of Rwanda in one year. 3)If you considet the Haganah "death squads", you're a complete fool. If, as seems more likely, you just throwing rhetoric around, you're a good disciple of Goebells. In either case, you display an utter ignorance of real history (as opposed to the fantasy world the Arabs have invented). For instance, in undisputed fact, Arabs attacks long preceded Jewish organization to fight them. That's how and why the Haganah came into being. To meet the stream of Arab attacks which trace back decades before 1947. The Hebron massacres of the 1920s weren't nearly the first. The poor people who tried, so hard, to destroy the Jews, destroy the Jewish state, who refused the Partition the UN offered, and have spent the last half century trying to do what they tried to do from the begining have put themselves into their own plight. They've earned it.
 
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Hasib Ghorgi    RE:Genocide?   9/2/2002 9:24:29 PM
palestinians should have there land back
 
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bsl    RE:Genocide?   9/6/2002 8:23:36 PM
Gee, Hasib; you just won the award for most mistakes in the smallest number of words. Let's see where you messed up --- "palestinians should have there land back" 1)Never was a "Palestine". Never a "Palestinian state". Ever. At any point in history. The land west of the Jordan, before Israeli independence, was, a)Part of the British Mandatory Territory. b)Before that, it was part of the sovereign Ottoman Turkish Empire. Before that, c)The Seljuk Turkish Empire, d)The various Arab Caliphates (Baghdad, Damascus), e)Byzantine Roman Empire, f)Roman Empire, which brings us to the Jewish Kingdom of the Maccabees. Before that, the Hellenistic Syrian Empire, which succeeded the empire of Alexander the Great, who conquered the land from the Persian Empire who conquered it from the Assyrians. Before that, the (Hebrew) kingdoms of Israel and Judah, which succeeded the unified Hebrew Kingdom. No Palestinian kingdom, empire, sultanate, caliphate, or joint stock company. 2)"Palestinians?" Folk like Yasser Arafar, born and raised in Egypt? In fact, when the Jews began to resettle (joining the Jews who were already there, since, every sane authority, including the official records of the Ottomans agree that Jerusalem had a majority of Jewish inhabitants back during the **1800s**) the land was mostly empty. Depopulated. There were some beduin, a few small cities on the coast (such as Acre and Jaffah) and a few Arab fellahin tenant farming land owned by rich Arabs and Turks who lived in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. That's what the Americans and Europeans who visited during the 19th century said and that's what the *Turks* said, in their official records. It was the economic development of the region the Jews created which drew ARAB IMMIGRANTS from Egypt, Syria, and Mesopotamia. IOW, most so-called "Palestians" are, themselves, recent immigrants. 3)Whose land? According to the Turkish records, and the testimony of European and American visitors, the local Arabs did NOT own the land. They were tenants of the people who DID own it, under the Ottomans. Those people lived in the surrounding territory, in places like Alexandria, Cairo, Damascus, Beirut, not among their peasants. And, in any case, your dear friends threw away their "rights" by generations of attempted genocide.
 
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argrath    RE:Genocide?   9/9/2002 1:09:40 PM
Hey hasibi Didnt kindergarden start again this week? Are you still truant? You really should read the posts by PR and BSL- their history of the Mandate is right on target-- undiluted, and unpolluted by lies, distortions, and just plain BS by you and other whiners and wannabes. They start teaching REAL history once you get to the 6th grade, UNLESS you happen to be a PALI, where you are given a belt and a quick lesson in those poor out upon Palis who have been chased out of their nation (oops theirs that LIE again!!) but those terrible genocidal Israeli Jews. Time for you to stand in the corner and think about what you said.
 
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