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Subject: Bring back the AIM-47 Falcon
phalanx93    1/16/2005 9:21:38 PM
The Phoenix has been retired and I do not see a replacement for it in terms of range or speed, I think we should consider the GAR-9, an old design, I know. but anyway here is a comparison: First the phoenix: Primary Function: Long-range air-launched air intercept missile Contractor: Hughes Aircraft Co. and Raytheon Co. Unit Cost: $477,131 Power Plant: Solid propellant rocket motor built by Hercules Length: 13 feet (3.9 meters) Weight: 1,024 pounds (460.8 kg) Diameter: 15 inches (38.1 cm) Wing Span: 3 feet (.9 meters) Range: In excess of 100 nautical miles (115 statute miles, 184 km) Speed: In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) Guidance System: Semi-active and active radar homing Warheads: Proximity fuse, high explosive Warhead Weight: 135 pounds (60.75 kg) Date Deployed: 1974 Next the Falcon: Length: 3.20 m (126 in) Wingspan: 0.838 m (33 in) Diameter: 0.335 m (13.2 in) Weight: 363 kg (800 lb) Speed Mach: 6 Range 210 km (130 miles) Propulsion Lockheed storable liquid-fuel rocket Warhead High-explosive What do you think?
 
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fitz    What requirement could this possibly meet...   1/16/2005 10:25:07 PM
...and what's going to shoot this old analog POS?
 
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HJ    Beware the marketeer's pitch!   1/17/2005 1:27:40 AM
The AIM-54 was built by Hughes based on their experience with the AIM-47...your stats were the optimistic goals that were NOT achieved in the end. Try these: "The XGAR-9, redesignated XAIM-47A in 1963, was a very large missile intended primarily for long-range interception of incoming Soviet bombers. Boasting a range in excess of 160 km (100 mi), the GAR-9 utilized SARH guidance, with a seeker head capable of locking on to a 9.3 m2 (100 sq.ft.) target at a range of 116 km (63 nm). The missile would fly early portions of its flight path using an autopilot programmed using pre-launch target position and heading data. Early problems with the development of the SARH seeker led to the development of a dual-mode SARH/IR seeker head. This was ultimately abandoned when it was determined that the missile would increase in diameter by 2 inches (and weigh 180 more pounds (82 kg)), necessitating a redesign of the F-108's entire weapon bay! Power was intended to be provided by an Aerojet-General XM59 solid rocket, giving a speed of Mach 6. Ultimately, problems with this motor led to its being replaced with the Lockheed XSR13-LP-1 solid rocket motor (a Lockheed-designed storable liquid-fuel motor was briefly considered), which offered less power and a slower Mach 4 top speed. Initially, National Laboratories began development of the 0.25 kiloton W-42 nuclear warhead for use with the GAR-9. This was cancelled in 1958. Other attempts to develop nuclear warheads for the GAR-9 also bore no fruit, and by mid-1959 the weapon had gained a 45 kg (100 lb) HE warhead with proximity fuzing".
 
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