Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke

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denheer RE:Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke 4/5/2003 6:16:47 AM

True, I like to see those missiles used for something else than destruction too. It's a good idea to have them used for putting small sattelites into space, give them to universities and you will see some really creative stuff! Such a waste to destroy them. And of course the ability to strike something within 30 minutes is very good for political reasons. To me it seems it's not that usefull in a war that's already underway because you can use bombers already in the area.

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fred79 RE:Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke 4/5/2003 11:22:41 PM

my thought would be to use them instead of actions like clinto took against Iraq in teh mid 90's were he launched 40-50 tomahawks. to launch a tomahawk they have to get a ship in teh area and then launch missle over someone elses territory. instead we could use a ICBM to launch multiple GPS guided standard munitions directly into a nations airspace from space with out violating other nations airspace. no permission needed. also the Idea of allowing our universities to develope satalite to be launched by ICBM's into space for modern study. this could also greatly increase teh speed to which we get more advanced space craft constructed.

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RE:Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke 2/7/2004 9:52:34 AM

Numewrous studies on the subject have shown that in order for a "bunker busting nuke" to not contaminate the surrounding area, the required depth is prohibitively high and the required explosive yield prohibitively low. You can read more on this at www.fas.org. This entire concept is little more than a political and economic fiasco which will not create any realistic result. We'd end up with a second-strike weapon (as in one that no president would authorize the use of unless we had already been hit with a WMD), which doesnt solve the original problem at all..

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Professor Fickle RE:Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke 11/24/2004 3:23:59 PM

Using nuclear bombs to attack deep underground bunkers would produce a good amount radiation and nuclear fall out. It would have to go deep for the radiation not to escape in to the surrounding population. Wouldn?t it be better if the bunker buster used a thermal nuclear bomb (Hydrogen bomb) instead? The only drawback is that thermal nuclear bomb are complex and might not withstand penetrating deep in to the earth.

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reefdiver RE:Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke 2/14/2005 9:57:31 PM

My observations to some of the conversations: 1) Using nukes will never be acceptable except as a 2nd strike weapon in response to another nuke. 2) Using space based or old ICBM bunker busters could easily be interpreted as a nuke ICBM. Launching one towards anywhere would get a bunch of countries very, very nervous (Russia, China, etc). How could they tell what its intentions and more important - warhead were? 3) I don't know what altitude the US drops the current breed of JDAM guided bunker busters from, but I do wonder what the effect would be if you could make a special UAV that could carry them to say 70,000 ft and drop them. Perhaps add a small rocket to accelerate them straight down at even higher velocity? Would such altitude make a significance difference? I assume it would require a stronger penetrator. 4) How about dropping a precisely timed sequence of JDAMS, with intermediate penetrators, precisely on the same spot one after another followed by multiple large deep penetrators? Would this have any effect - in other words could you basically dig a deep hole?

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Shooter RE:Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke 5/13/2005 1:27:00 AM

You seem to forget that the Bunker busting nuc has almost no residual radiation. It is not a problem. just use the right nuc and be done with it! PS. Do not be afraid of nuclear radiation. It is not nearly as bad as you were lead to belive!

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lightningtest RE:Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke...delivery 5/13/2005 11:15:02 AM

Some times people dig very deep! Since single impact craters are hemispherical/ multiple impact consecutive impact caters are cones, so alot of material has to be shifted to get deep. Further info on the subject of drilling down into the earth to remove bunkers from existance - especially when they contain WMD. WORKINGPAPERS FIRE IN THE HOLE, Nuclear and Non-Nuclear Options for Counter-proliferation, Michael A. Levi Carnegie Endowment for International Peace1779 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.Washington, D.C. 20036 Phone: (202) 483-7600Fax: (202) 483-1840, www.ceip.org "Active Penetrators. Previously discussed weapons penetrate the earth through impact momentum. Active penetrators operate more like drills, burrowing into the ground with rapid strikes before detonating. The prototypical example of this, currently under development, is Deep Digger.26 While it is not yet known whether Deep Digger will be developed into an effective weapon, it demonstrates the potential of exotic penetrating technologies. Deep Digger would operate on principles very similar to "dry drilling" techniques the oil and gas industries developed in the United States years ago; full-scale dry drilling machines drill to depths of 4 kilometers. Theese machines use a metallic head to repeatedly and rapidly pulverize rock, which is cleared from the mineshaft throughout operation by pressure from high-density gas. Deep Digger would function in much the same way, but would be much smaller; instead of weighing thousands of tons, it is designed to weigh 50 to 100 kilograms. Such a device would be extremely portable and could be delivered either by special operations forces or by aircraft. Deep Digger engineers report that initial technical difficulties involved pulverizing the target rock into fine matter, but this problem has largely been overcome. In its current developmental state, Deep Digger creates a clean bore in rock 1 meter deep and 20 centimeters wide. Deep Digger now reduces target rock to very fine powder that is ejected by gas to heights of approximately 50 meters." probe battery life seems to be matched to decent duration then....good.

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lightningtest RE:Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke...sealing 5/13/2005 12:34:18 PM

Since some bunkers have extra exits which have not quite made it to the surface and can be extended there when required. Only talking to the people on the ground will enable finding all the potentional exits so they can be sealed with explosives. Can active remote sensing electromagnetic techniques find tunnels and chambers under the surface (say >6ft / 2m of solid granite) if they don't emerge and emit any radiation? Anybody know?

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svaba RE:Solution for Bunker Buster Nuke 5/17/2005 12:25:47 PM

I think that this is pure because underground bunkers can bee overrun on the surface and seal in the defenders so they cant get out and will starve to death or surrender.LOL.

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