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Subject: DAM BUSTERS?
wagner95696    3/14/2004 10:10:23 PM
Has anyone ever fielded a conventional (high explosive) air launched guided missile capable of breaching a modern reinforced concrete dam with a single hit?
 
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Herald12345    Don't be naive little yapper. Thisn isn the REAL world.   2/25/2008 4:07:52 PM

Bombing 3 Gorges --> nuclear retaliation, simple as that.
Hu Jintao isn't stupid. He knows what happens, if he even tries.

60% PRC launcher reliability versus 100%  guaranteed return death?

If he can't do the  math, the 1st Artillery can.

Herald

 
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JFKY    Herald   2/25/2008 5:14:12 PM
It would depend on the/political situation...it is ENTIRELY possible the PRC would retaliate with nuclear weapons for a Three Gorges strike...such a strike would cripple the PRC, they might well respond with a high altitude attack designed to EMP the West Coast, to devastate the US economy.  Depending on the overall situation the US might or might NOT respond with a counter-city strike on the PRC.
 
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Herald12345    JFKY.............   2/25/2008 5:29:27 PM
You know what that opinion you express is worth?

ZERO.

Why?

We have a series of pre-programmed response packages  to PRC bandit initiated 34th rung events. Most of them are guaranteed PRC extinction events.

Why?

Because we would be at central war.

Herald

 
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JFKY    Herald    2/25/2008 6:43:55 PM
Thank you for that well-reasoned response...sadly we don't have pre-programmed, we have PRE-PLANNED responses...there is a large difference.  Should the NCA authorize there are a number of options available to the United States, but in no case is anything pre-determined.  So yes, it is ENTIRELY within the realm of possibility that after the West Coast goes dark, the US would decide to not further attack the PRC.
 
Whether we would do so or not would depend on something you assume, but is not required, that we be in a "Central War" with the PRC.
 
Nice reference to Kahn's rung's though....no one really believed them even when they were written.
 
Your humility factor needs a rather large adjustment.  On this issue, as opposed to technical/engineering issues your opinion is merely that, one human's opinion.  It isn't budgeting or engineering or technical spec's of radras or MMC's...and so you might want to reconsider your assumptions, and your assumption of omnipotence.
 
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Herald12345       2/26/2008 1:02:06 AM

Thank you for that well-reasoned response...sadly we don't have pre-programmed, we have PRE-PLANNED responses...there is a large difference.  Should the NCA authorize there are a number of options available to the United States, but in no case is anything pre-determined.  So yes, it is ENTIRELY within the realm of possibility that after the West Coast goes dark, the US would decide to not further attack the PRC.

 

Whether we would do so or not would depend on something you assume, but is not required, that we be in a "Central War" with the PRC.

 

Nice reference to Kahn's rung's though....no one really believed them even when they were written.

 

Your humility factor needs a rather large adjustment.  On this issue, as opposed to technical/engineering issues your opinion is merely that, one human's opinion.  It isn't budgeting or engineering or technical spec's of radras or MMC's...and so you might want to reconsider your assumptions, and your assumption of omnipotence.

Well your concern touches me.

I suppose that STRATCOM ISPANN contract that LockMart got in 2003 for mission planning systems was a figment of my imagination?

Never fight until you understand the battlespace or how to manage it..

By the way, the grandfather of strategic nuclear war gaming theory is deeply touched by your concerns as to his irrelevance as well.

Herald



 
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