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Subject: Iraq Goes For The Little (70mm) Wonder
SYSOP    12/5/2014 6:13:10 AM
 
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keffler25       12/5/2014 9:31:13 AM
Steer controls were the problem, not the guidance kits or the seekers..The 2.75 inch folding fin rockets were never meant to have actuated steer motors and NOSE and TAIL CONTROL. 
 
Now they do. NASTY.
 
 
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Nate Dog       12/6/2014 10:30:27 AM
Thought the problem was to do with where to mount the laser seeker/sensor package?
Couldn't be on the nose due to damage of the first rocket in the pod being fired and the rocket motor damaging the rest of the rockets seeker noses.
Hence the technical difficulties of developing a mid mounted designator/manouvering package, one that could be inserted easily in field service, between the warhead and the rocket body. 
 
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WarNerd       12/6/2014 3:23:10 PM
Thought the problem was to do with where to mount the laser seeker/sensor package?
Couldn't be on the nose due to damage of the first rocket in the pod being fired and the rocket motor damaging the rest of the rockets seeker noses.
Hence the technical difficulties of developing a mid mounted designator/manouvering package, one that could be inserted easily in field service, between the warhead and the rocket body. 
There is no problems with the nose of the rocket being damaged by preceding rockets. All the competing designs, like the Raytheon Talon, use nose mounted sensors without reported problems.
 
The point of the mid body seeker was to make it a simple add on to standard 70mm rockets. Just unscrew the warhead, screw on the guidance unit, and then screw the warhead back on. It should also be capable of working with all the standard warheads with a few software tweaks.
 
A nose mounted sensor requires replacing the standard warhead, which lacks a means of attaching something forward of it, with one integrated into the guidance unit. It is also incompatible with types other than simple HE. The end result is that the cost of the simpler guidance design is offset by the new warhead.
 
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keffler25       12/8/2014 3:33:19 PM
Clarification of WN's point. Midbody sensors can use shadow zone signal capture or four antenna signal chase solutions to chase a signal. 
 
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HeavyD    Ground usage   2/28/2015 12:18:31 AM
Given how Javelins are used there is a mission for small man-portable precision weapons. The ultimate counter-sniper weapon! Pick out a window from 1500 meters and say hello. Think Stinger/Manpads but with a laser-guided Hydra. Or a 2x2 box mounted on a wide range of vehicles, from a Stryker to a MRAP to a...wait for it...M-1. And just for shits and giggles, how about strapping a pair on to that robotic mule-thingie? Trot one into hostile territory at night, with IR sights and a laser designator. Bed down in cover and stake out a safe house or road 3/klicks away and wait, days if necessary for the bad guys to drive up or drive by...
 
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keffler25       2/28/2015 9:51:05 AM
Costs versus effectiveness. Send a direct fire artillery shell instead of a missile when the accuracy is equivalent. Cheaper. 
Given how Javelins are used there is a mission for small man-portable precision weapons.

The ultimate counter-sniper weapon! Pick out a window from 1500 meters and say hello.

Think Stinger/Manpads but with a laser-guided Hydra.

Or a 2x2 box mounted on a wide range of vehicles, from a Stryker to a MRAP to a...wait for it...M-1.

And just for shits and giggles, how about strapping a pair on to that robotic mule-thingie? Trot one into hostile territory at night, with IR sights and a laser designator. Bed down in cover and stake out a safe house or road 3/klicks away and wait, days if necessary for the bad guys to drive up or drive by...

 
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