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Subject: Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia
human6    12/1/2002 7:02:06 PM
I have been doing a lot of research and it appears that the Russian Su-37 is currently the most technologically advanced plane in the world. I do not want to hear about the JSF or F-22 as they are not in production yet. Besides the Russians have a counter plane to the JSF, the PAK FA or I-2000/Interceptor-2000/Istribityel-2000. http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/janes004.htm
 
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DDX    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   5/17/2003 9:18:39 PM
The su37 is not in production. Its a prototype for evaluation of enhanced Flanker models. The russians have only recently begun upgrading there su27s to a modern, digital pit standard. The F22 and F35 have a lot more technology and money behind them and will be the fighters that dominate future aerial conflicts. Besides they'll be in front line service first.
 
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red star    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   5/25/2003 6:08:19 PM
Dont agree wif all the c*** about russian training. My grandad (yes im young) was a soviet pilot-he says that the training he got was betr than was publicized, it was all a big scham to fool the 'amerikantsi'. And he wasnt kiding-he has flown real sorties and has shot down two chinese jets. Oh and what about the new SU35, after all the S 37 is not the only aircraft russia is developing.
 
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Thomas    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   5/26/2003 4:09:27 AM
Red Star: You still don't get it. Nobody in the west wants to occupy Russia! Why should they??? Of course Russia can build good arms. But arms quality is intricately connected to the overall strategy and war aims. When the overall perception of the world is so wrong and unbalanced as the Sovjet and Sovjet-Russian was - of course you end up with inferior weapons. Russian weapons might be the best for killing little green men on Mars (or whatever), but they could not achieve the world dominance aimed for by Sovjet. When the system is wrong - You are systematically wrong.
 
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Final Historian    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   5/26/2003 2:42:30 PM
Red Star, your grandfather shot down two Chinese jets? What was he flying, and what year was it, if I may ask? BTW, Russian training standards for pilots have slipped over the decades. I suspect that your Grandfather was well trained, but pilots following him were not. I know for sure nowadays that Russian flight time is way too low to be safe, and that Russian pilots just don't have enough time on the stick. Remember, there is more than 1 kind of training.
 
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red star    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   5/26/2003 2:47:32 PM
The year was 1968 and he was flying MiG-21 Fishbed. He also flw the MiG-19, but his kills were against other CHinse Fishbeds. All of this happened just before the 1969 border clashes.
 
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red star    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   5/26/2003 3:25:08 PM
BTW he was bown in 1933 in beautiful St Petersburg. That's why I am quarter Russkie, 3/4 Bulgarian. I don't want to brag, but my family has a history in warfighting-my great-great(mother's line) grandfather fought in the Balkan Wars 1912-1913 and at Salonika during the First World War as a GI. His son (my great grandfather) was an artillary gunner during the Second and fought against the Germans in Hungary and Austria. Which leads to my grandfather who is a lieutannat colonel in the Engineer's Corps.
 
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red star    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   5/28/2003 5:24:52 AM
Apparently my grandpa used 2 K-13 Atoll missiles (the very old and crude ones), scoring a direct hit on one and damaging the engins on another, finifhing him off with NR30 30 mm cannon. He said that the Chinese had very poor training and their evasion techniques were slow and clumsy.
 
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brent    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   6/3/2003 12:54:33 PM
I don't know a lot about this subject but the strategypage.com database of warplanes lists the capability ratings of some aircraft as follows; Aircraft Air capability Ground capability Su-37 32 14 F-15 54 24 F-18E 45 69 F-22 100 11 F-16 32 40 I tend to believe these numbers given that despite lots of propaganda every time Russian equipment has met American equipment in combat the Russian equipment has gotten demolished.
 
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Kodiak    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   6/4/2003 3:04:31 PM
The proof is in the puuding, actual combat experience shows that US weapons have always dominated russian hardware. BTW this whole plasma stealth shielding is a bunch of heresey as far as far as I'm concerned, and if any of you with over 10 years of life experience have not learned, by the time the russians or any other nations supposedly "top" US technology, the US has already developed a whole new weapon that the rest of the world gasps at ad states collectively: "back to the drawing board". Besides, Americas best weapons are not publicly known anyway. US based sattellite and laser technology is about to render the overated su-37 and any other current fighter doctrine obsolete anyway
 
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Final Historian    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   6/4/2003 3:20:28 PM
Yeah, if the US is designing a converted passenger liner to shoot down ballistic missiles hundreds of miles away, surely it can design a similar model to shoot down enemy airplanes much closer to it. And the planes are flying much slower as well.
 
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