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Subject: Arabs Fed Up With Palestinians
SYSOP    5/8/2008 4:53:42 AM
 
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sjdoc    Automatic failed stat   5/8/2008 11:02:10 AM
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When the notion of Israel allowing the Palestinians the ability to create their "state-within-a-state," I came immediately to the conclusion that the Israeli purpose was to demonstrate to the world that the South Syrian Arabs (there had never been a political or ethnic group of Arabs that could be called "Palestinians," and in fact the Palestine Regiment formed by the British Army in 1942 consisted of three Jewish battalions and only one battalion of Arabs, with only the Jewish troops ever going into combat) were incapable of self-government or peaceful co-existence with their neighbors, thereby providing exemplary justification for permanent warfare against Arab Islamic insurrectionists within the territories from which these violent aggressors would continue to threatent the security of the Israeli people.
 
Since then, the history of the Palestinian Authority and the civil war within the Palestinian "state" has been demonstrative of this supposition.
 
Even the most intransigently, willfully ignorant among the neighboring Arab nations are now being forced to acknowledge that the descendents of the Islamic Arab population resident in the old Ottoman sanjaks of Acre, Jerusalem, Hebron and Nablus are incapable of creating or maintaining anything resembling a viable nation-state.
 
So what's likely to be the final outcome of this process? Egypt and Jordan need the demonstrably ungovernable Palestinian Arabs as much as the Love Canal needs more toxic waste.  Formal division into a cantonal confederation (similar to Switzerland's multilingual, multireligious "agreement to disagree") might prove viable, but the character and culture of the contending Palestinian factions make the proposal of such a sensible solution virtually unimaginable.
 
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veto       5/9/2008 2:29:01 PM
It's beyond pathetic that seasoned diplomats from the world over, either can't or won't accept the obvios reality;
the situation will not get any better no matter how much you feed it or ignore it. When the Plestinians decided to fight each other and then becoe rivals on 2 seperate pieces of land, which intel agency delights in failing  to state the obvious? "This won't ever work"!  With the number of factions inside each territory, and the "Palestinians in Lebanon" and Jordan, who makes the call for them? Whoever feels like it at that time. Now, Hamas openly talks about destroying Israel just like Hezbollah and Iran; is this progress. Pushing some "peace" agreement to those who aren't interested will
always get the same reaction (i.e. rejection). The problem is time is not on the side of those who want to try to invent
new ways to say the same thing. Gaza won't work. It's corrupt to the core and the population is too dense for the area.
There is a ton of open land west of Israel. The oil countries have never been so rich, building infrastructure for Palestinians wouldn't hurt their finances. The Arab countries have to take responsibility as even they see where things
are leading. Lebanon erupting into a war zone every year, even gets the other countries upset. There becomes a point of diminishing returns with fancy new paths to peace. Sooner than later, the pressure that has built up will explode. That's not in anyone's interest... except for those who have been openly calling for the day when it will.

 
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Photon       5/12/2008 10:53:36 PM
At the international level, this bloody pukin' mess boils down to:  No one wants to give a bloody damn, apart from periodic media spin.  Probably an ideal playground for politically-oriented diplomatis (or diplomatically-oriented politicians) as they can more or less follow the well-written script:  Go there, start talkin' and keep everyone talkin' while the media spotlight is focused onto you, shake a plenty of hands, then pack up and go back to the business as usual.  Another implosion (whether it be that of a Lebanese-variant or that of a Palestinian-variant) takes place.  Well ... you have already done your share of serving for the interest of global diplomacy.  Leave it to someone else to score some media spotlight.

I think this is a textbook example of what happens if you add too much additives known as diplomacy into war.  They should be allowed to shoot each other openly until there is only one side left standing, and let the victor claim the pie.
 
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Ezekiel    realize the aggressor and act accordingly   5/13/2008 4:32:33 AM
The palestinians have refused any diplomatic agreement ever given to them, either through incoherent negotiating tactics, or by using the negotiations as a deceptive tactic to accrue more power. The fact is that the Pale's are the obvious aggressor, but Israel refuses to acknowledge it (due to the Israeli  establishments radical leftism that hates itself, perpetuating Israel's fatuaous born in sin motif) and/or do something about to effectively neutralize the Palestinians fighting capacity!. Thought the Pale's are obciously the aggressor in this conflict , it has come to a point that Israel still partaking in this asenine hand shaking policy refusing to deal w/ reality has some responsibility in this...
 
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