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Subject: Another one bites the dust!
Shirrush    2/13/2008 4:11:23 AM
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Shirrush       2/13/2008 4:18:17 AM
Whoever did it, well done!
'Imad Mughnyieh was very likely the real top leader of Hizb-Allah and certainly the World's #1 terrorist, and he is credited for the attacks against the US peacekeepers in Beyrouth in 1983, the US embassy there, the abductions and murders of Western citizens in Lebanon during the '80s, the massacre of the Buenos Aires Jewish community in '94, and much, much more.

Care to add to the Mughnyieh scumbag obituary thread here?


 
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Herald12345       2/13/2008 4:48:49 AM
Robert Dean Stethem rest in peace.

And if it was the Mossad that did it to that bandit, thank you from a very grateful American citizen for the deed.

A small measure of Justice..

Herald

 

 
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Shirrush    Not so fast!   2/13/2008 5:17:25 AM
The US also had a very good reason to rid the world of this terrorist, and certainly has the means to act in Damascus.
Another theory is that the Iranian overlords intended him to replace Hassan Nasrallah at the head of the Hizb. Nasrallah has pretty much irritated his masters for starting the 2006 war and wasting too many good rockets for nothing. Nasrallah's faction is very likely to have preempted. Hopefully, this is what really happened, and we can cautiously start hoping that a factional struggle will tear Hizb-Allah asunder while we sip on beer and eat popcorn.

 
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Bob       2/13/2008 12:50:03 PM
this guy was about 50 times the terrorist osama bin laden could ever hope to be, the world should be grateful.

i saw a headline in the NYTimes, it said "senior hezbollah operative killed in syria" and i said to myself "jeez, the Times doesn't know squat, they could only run with a story like that if it's someone like Mugniyah..."

and sure enough!

 
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Plutarch    Questions   2/13/2008 1:25:11 PM
So probably the most wanted terrorist in the world, (whom no one has heard from in 14 years) is killed 3 years, almost to the day, after the former Lebanese Prime Minister is, and the source for his death is...Hezbollah? 

Israel didn't claim  responsibility for the assassination, something they would usually do.  Plus I didn't know car bombs were part of the MO for Mossad.  Could they penetrate that deeply into Hezbollah/Syria with someone on the ground to detonate a car bomb?  If so, why do it now, with the suspicious timing related to Rafki's death?  It sounds like an inside job to me (Syrians cleaning house perhaps before UN investigations), or a Lebanese faction, or misinformation (Hezbollah/Syria put this guy under deep cover as he plans a major attack perhaps) while Hezbollah gets to blame Israel (as usual) for something.

Maybe I'm over thinking this and giving Hezbollah too much credit, but the timing just seems funny,  and  I didn't think Hezbollah news was all that reliable.
 
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FJV       2/13/2008 3:17:20 PM
Maybe it's the work of an ambitious rival or hezbollah has decided he's more usefull as a martyr than alive.

Could also be something as stupid as him moving dodgy homemade explosives



 
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Herald12345       2/13/2008 7:00:26 PM

The US also had a very good reason to rid the world of this terrorist, and certainly has the means to act in Damascus.
Another theory is that the Iranian overlords intended him to replace Hassan Nasrallah at the head of the Hizb. Nasrallah has pretty much irritated his masters for starting the 2006 war and wasting too many good rockets for nothing. Nasrallah's faction is very likely to have preempted. Hopefully, this is what really happened, and we can cautiously start hoping that a factional struggle will tear Hizb-Allah asunder while we sip on beer and eat popcorn.

I doubt our current yellow livered CIA has the stones for this kind of action.

However I trust you have a better read on it than I do. I like your second read better than my suggestion, with this caveat that the Syrian government might have had a hand of its own in the game. As I really don't understand Syrian politics at all, I'm winging this one entirely on speculation. Is it possible that the Damascus looney tunes are as faction riddled as the Terhran bandits?

In either case when the rats start to each other I say just squeeze them tighter together and watch the social experiment run its course. Just put out plenty of rat poison to kill the survivors.

On a side note, is it true, that those Hamas scum run a jihadist Bugs Bunny on TV now?

From Haaretz.

What does a Texas jackrabbit with a New York Brooklyn accent have to do with jihadism? Don't they KNOW from what "culture" this icon actually comes?

Herald
 
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swhitebull    YIPPEEEEE   2/15/2008 6:41:20 PM
I was in the hospital recovering from surgery this week.  Saw the lede on MSNBC and NBC and CNN, who also daid it was a leading Hizzbie terrorist - My first thought -  they hit Mughniyeh!!   The docs came in and said it was Nasrallah,  i said NO WAY (even groggy,  I'm still a grognard!).
 
 
What a way to help my recovery, so that I could bet back to my terrorist database and update a certain entry to "TOASTED".
 
 
 
swhitebull -  btw -  my daughter went to NIU several years ago, and told me today that she had taken some classes with the shooter, and had spoken with him on occasion.  gave me a BIG Chill yesterday when I heard this happening.
 
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swhitebull    I'll See your Imad, and Raise you a Whole Family of Fayeds   2/16/2008 5:30:16 PM

First Umad Mughniyeh takes the 72-virgin ride with a Bashar Assad Special. Now Ayman Atallah Fayed gets blasted in the most literal sense of the word. Both men were high-ranking members of terrorist groups arrayed against Israel. Coincidence?

A powerful blast went off in the house of a senior Islamic Jihad activist Friday, killing him, his wife and daughter, along with three neighbors, medics and an Islamic Jihad spokesman said.

Islamic Jihad claimed Israeli warplanes struck the home of Ayman Atallah Fayed. Israel denied it had launched any airstrike in the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza where Fayed lived. Hamas police said the cause of the blast was not clear.

Witnesses reported seeing fragments of what looked like locally produced rockets at the scene, suggesting the house may have been used to store arms

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Of course, the explosion could have something to do with the fact that Fayed had his family living on a pile of bombs. Perhaps someone was tinkering with one in the house and connected the right wire at the wrong time. That also could have created the huge scope of the blast. With a lot of ordnance inside, a single explosion could have been amplified greatly through the secondary explosions of the other rockets.

It does seem more than a little coincidental, though. Leading members of two of Israel's biggest enemies getting their martyrdom visas stamped within days of each other would be awfully lucky for the Israelis. Unless, of course, the Israelis were the ones stamping those visas in the first place.
 
 
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Herald12345    Two doesn't make a trend.   2/16/2008 10:07:12 PM
Four in a row is a trend, though: one I'll happily encourage.

Herald

 
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jastayme3       2/16/2008 10:20:28 PM

 This looks kind of like a whodunit cliche. Everyone had a motive. Just like Orient Express except that time everyone did do it.
Seriously it could have been us. Or it could have been some of Buckley's old friends acting without orders. It could have been Mossad-they do seem the most likely. It could also have been some of his allies in an internal power struggle, or a "he knows to much" kind of thing. But in any case it is impossible to be in his line of work without having quite a few people who would be glad to do that kind of thing.
Here is an idle thought. What if the enemy has become convinced that we have penetrated them? Paranoia is as good an explanation as any.


 
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jastayme3       2/16/2008 10:28:43 PM
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Hizbullah mastermind's true legacy

By Caroline B. Glick





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link | It is quite possible that terror master Imad Mughniyah was not killed Tuesday night in Damascus for his past crimes, but to prevent him from carrying out additional attacks in the future.

On January 30, French security services raided a Paris apartment and arrested six Arab men. Three of the men — two Lebanese and one Syrian — were travelling on diplomatic passports. According to the Italian Libero newspaper, the six were members of a Hizbullah cell. Seized documents included tourist maps of Paris, London, Madrid, Berlin and Rome marked up with red highlighter to indicate routes, addresses, parking lots and "truck stopping points."The maps pointed to several routes to Vatican back entrances.

Libero's report explained that the "truck stopping points" aligned with information the French had received the week before from Beirut. There, Hizbullah chief Hassan Nasrallah convened a conference of his senior terror leaders where he ordered them to activate Hizbullah cells throughout Europe to kidnap senior European leaders.

The day of the arrests, French Defense Minister Herve Morin was meeting with his American counterpart Defense Secretary Robert Gates and with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in Washington on a previously unannounced visit. During his public appearances, Morin criticized the US Intelligence Directorate's National Intelligence Estimate on Iran's nuclear program from November. Morin stated, "Coordinated information from a number of intelligence services leads us to believe that Iran has not given up its wish to pursue its [nuclear] program," and is "continuing to develop" it.

Other recent reports relayed French concern that their embassy in Beirut is being targeted for attack by Hizbullah. On January 15 terrorists targeted a US embassy car in Beirut killing four and wounding sixteen. This week, French President Nicholas Sarkozy's chief of staff told L'Express newsweekly that the threat of terror against France "remains quite high."

All of the feared terror attacks against French and European targets have the classic earmarkings of Hizbullah operations chief and Iranian Revolutionary Guards officer Imad Mughniyeh. Mughniyeh was the pioneer of embassy bombings and high-profile kidnappings.

Most of the reports of his death treated Mughniyeh as a has-been. Coverage was devoted to his attacks against American, Israeli and Jewish targets in the 1980s and early 1990s. Yet at the time of his death, Mughniyeh remained one of the most dangerous and prolific terror operatives in the world.

Mughniyeh's broad-based leadership role in the global terror nexus was made clear by the reaction of seemingly unrelated terror groups to his death. Representatives of the reputedly nationalist, secularist Fatah terror group expressed their pride in his life's work. "We're very proud to have had a Palestinian holding such a high position in Hizbullah," one Fatah official who worked with Mughniyeh in the 1970s and 1980s told The Jerusalem Post.

Every Palestinian terror group — from Fatah to Hamas to Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Committees, the PFLP, and DFLP mourned the loss of Mughniyeh as a hero and martyr and called for revenge against Israel and the US.

In Iraq, Shiite and Sunni terrorists alike bemoaned his death and called for revenge. Shiite militia leader Muqtada el Sadr whose forces were trained and organized by Mughniyeh and Iran condemned Mughniyeh's killing. Sadr's supposedly arch-foe, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, who leads Al Qaida in Iraq and whose operational commanders are in Iran, responded to his death by calling for attacks against Israel.

And of course, Hizbullah, and its state sponsors Iran and Syria all condemned Mughniyeh's death in the strongest terms and vowed to avenge his killing.

These condemnations were not nostalgic pinings for a has-been. These uniform reactions from across the terror spectrum were the cries of Mughniyeh's soldiers for their commander. Through Iran, Mughniyeh was in effect the commander or godfather or both of all of these forces. His life's work embodied the growth, development and modus operandi of the forces of global terror and jihad. And understanding his life's work is a key to understanding the nature of the jihadist forces arrayed against the Western world and Israel.

Mughniyeh began his terror career in the 1970s in Fatah leader Yassir Arafat's Force 17 in Lebanon. There, in addition to terrorizing Lebanese Christians, he and Arafat trained Iranian Shiite jihadists. These men arrived at PLO camps in Lebanon in the early 1970s to train to overthrow of the Shah of Iran and install their leader Ayatollah Khomeini as the head of a new Islamic state. In 1979 they became the backbone of the newly formed Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps.

When Israel forced Arafat and his Fatah terror army to flee Lebanon in 1982, Arafat gave Fatah's arsenal to Mughniyeh, who at that time, as an officer in the new IRGC was forming Hizbullah. As Fatah's terror heir, Mughniyeh and his colleagues set out to throw the US, the French and the Israelis out of Lebanon and to disenfranchise Lebanese Christians and Sunnis. They accomplished their goals through a mix of terror tactics including car bombings, suicide bombings, airline hijackings, kidnappings, assassinations, and embassy bombings; and guerilla warfare tactics like ambushes, RPG attacks on convoys, sniper fire, popular indoctrination and psychological warfare operations. Most of these operations were carried out in Lebanon.

In the 1990s, Mughniyeh and Iran took their show on the road. Not only did they reenact their car bombings in South America. They also expanded their terror nexus to the then nascent Sunni Wahabist al Qaida organization. As Thomas Joscelyn documents in his short book Iran's Proxy War Against America, Iran through Mughniyeh was instrumental in the training, arming and sheltering al Qaida since the early 1990s.

As an Iranian agent, in the early 1990s, Mughniyeh built operational alliances with Osama bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri and al Qaida's military chief Saif al Adel when al Qaida was based in Sudan. Adel, along with several hundred other al Qaida operatives travelled to Lebanon to undergo training at Hizbullah camps. Hizbullah trainers also worked at al Qaida camps in Sudan and al Qaida operatives also trained at IRGC camps in Iran. From 1996 through 1998, ten percent of bin laden's satellite phone calls were to Iran.

Operational cooperation between Hizbullah and al Qaida quickly followed.

In 1996, Iran ordered Hizbullah to blow up the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia which housed US military personnel. 19 US servicemen were killed. Although al Qaida was never officially tied to the bombing, Zahawiri phoned bin Laden to congratulate him on the attack.

The al Qaida terror cell in Kenya that carried out the Kenyan arm of the twin US embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dars el Salaam in 1998 underwent training in Hizbullah camps in Lebanon. That attack had all the markings of Mughniyeh operations. Like the 1983 attacks on the US Marine barracks and French paratrooper base in Beirut, the 1998 attacks were double car bombings carried out in two disparate locations nearly simultaneously.

As Joscelyn recalls, the 9/11 Commission called for further investigation of Iran's role in the September 11, 2001 attacks on America. Adel, a veteran of Hizbullah camps, was intimately aware of the bombing plans before it took place. Ramzi Binalshibh, the plot's mastermind travelled in and out of Iran several times in the months before the bombings. Then too, eight to ten of the September 11 bombers transited Iran assisted by Hizbullah and IRGC officials in late 2000. The Iranians did not stamp their passports. Several of the bombers transited Iran en route to Lebanon. Mughniyeh himself flew to Beirut from Teheran aboard the same flight as Sept. 11 hijacker Ahmad al-Ghamdi.

Although Iran and the Taliban nearly went to war against one another in 2000, in the wake of the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001, according to jailed Taliban leaders, Iran pledged to assist the Taliban in their war against the US. Teheran opened its doors to fleeing Taliban leaders and senior al Qaida commanders — including Adel and bin Laden's son and heir apparent Saad and Abu Musab Zarkawi. From Iran, Adel and bin Laden Jr. planned and ordered attacks in Saudi Arabia.

Moreover, from Iran, Adel and bin Laden worked with Zarkawi in planning the groups' insurgency in Iraq. Citing an extensive report from the German * Cicero* magazine, Joscelyn describes how Zarkawi set up his terror network under the protection of the IRGC. Zarkawi had no problem operating in Iran in spite of his avowed hatred of Shiite Muslims who, after entering Iraq, he massacred at every opportunity.

Then too, as Al Sharq al Aswat reported Wednesday, Mughniyeh played a central role in organizing and training Shiite militia in Iraq. He worked as the head of Iran's intelligence directorate in southern Iraq, trained al Sadr's Mahdi army fighters in Iran, Iraq and Lebanon and set up shop in Basra to facilitate their entry into Iraq from Iran.

After the 1993 Oslo Accord between Israel and the PLO, Iran abandoned Arafat as a traitor. Mughniyeh was responsible for mending fences. In 1999 he brought Fatah back under Iranian orbit when he acted as a middle-man in negotiating the Iranian sale of the Karine-A weapons ship to the Palestinian Authority which was intercepted by Israeli naval commandos in January 2002.

After Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, Mughniyeh worked as a middle-man bringing Hamas under Iranian control. That control was consolidated in a meeting between Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrian President Bashar Assad and Mughniyeh in Damascus in January 2001, after Hamas's electoral victory in the PA's legislative ballot.

Later in 2006, Mughniyeh returned to Lebanon to plan the kidnapping of IDF soldiers which was carried out on July 12, 2006 and precipitated that summer's war. Mughniyeh reportedly commanded Hizbullah forces during that war. Since the war, he oversaw Hizbullah's rearmament as well as the training of Hizbullah and Hamas forces in Iran. Saad bin Laden reportedly travelled to Syria to oversee weapons shipments to Hizbullah during the war.

It is possible that Mughniyeh was irreplaceable. The pivotal role that he played in the nexus of global terror was unique. No one else has such wide-ranging accomplishments. But placing too much stress on Mugniyeh's uniqueness would serve to obfuscate the basic reality that his life's work embodied.

Mughniyah embodied the fact that terrorists of all shapes and colors willingly collaborate with one another against their common enemies in the West. Mughniyeh personally bridged all the divisions within the world of Arab and Islamic terrorism. He showed that when it comes to attacking the West, there is no distinction between secular, nationalist, religious, Islamist, Sunni or Shiite terrorists.

His work revealed the inconvenient truth so fervently denied by policymakers and politicians throughout the Western world. He showed that for the jihadists there is no distinction between terrorists who attack in Israel or Jewish targets abroad and those who attack non-Israeli and non-Jewish targets. Moreover, his work as an Iranian agent demonstrates Iran's central role in sponsoring jihad throughout the world.

Mughniyeh's legacy is not simply a laundry list of massacre and torture. It is the nexus of global terror. While it is a great thing that he is dead, it must be understood that his death is insufficient. Hundreds of thousands converged in Beirut to celebrate his life's work. The West must understand the significance of that work and unite to destroy it — layer after layer


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Is the writer implying The French Did It? I never thought of that one.
 
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Shirrush       2/17/2008 1:44:33 PM
Get well soon Swhitebull. Refu'a shleima.
I'm considering that brain transplant surgery for myself too...

Here's a flower from the motherland for you:




 
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swhitebull    Need Anymore Be Said?    2/18/2008 6:31:00 PM

Hizballah = Nazis

Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 8:44:08 am PST

A photo that says everything about the Lebanese terror gang Hizballah, as they pay tribute to dead mass murderer Imad Mughniyeh with a straight-armed Nazi salute. The Associated Press caption, of course, takes no notice of it.

Hizbollah militants raise their arms in salute of assassinated Hezbollah top commander Imad Mughniyeh during a memorial service in his home village of Tair Debba, south Lebanon, Sunday, Feb. 17, 2008. (AP Photo/Tara Todras-Whitehill)

 
 
 
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Ezekiel       2/19/2008 10:08:45 AM


Hizballah = Nazis


Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 8:44:08 am PST


A photo that says everything about the Lebanese terror gang Hizballah, as they pay tribute to dead mass murderer Imad Mughniyeh with a straight-armed Nazi salute. The Associated Press caption, of course, takes no notice of it.






Hizbollah militants raise their arms in salute of assassinated Hezbollah top commander Imad Mughniyeh during a memorial service in his home village of Tair Debba, south Lebanon, Sunday, Feb. 17, 2008. (AP Photo/Tara Todras-Whitehill)



 


 

 

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Makes me want to puke my guts out....Barbarians, &%*^ barbarians! 
 
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