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swhitebull Scholar -For starters, Lets Now start with Something Completely Different 7/1/2004 2:01:01 PM

Have to start off this way, since we will evenutally get into soe heavier issues, but this is definitely worthwhile: link swhitebull - it sets the tone for the times. I am getting my piece together for the 5 different types of Messiah prevalent in Judea and Samaria before the birth of Jesus (cant say Christ, 'CAUSE that translates into Messiah!) Later swhitebull - hopefully we'll have a good discussion - sounds like we both have strong backgrounds in the subject (I used to teach classes in Jewish history, Halacha and Talmudic ethics, comparative religion and myths of the ancient Hebrews at Hebrew school [almost got me kicked out for heresy, but the rabbi backed me up,btw!]; also comparative myths and storytelling for adult education at the college level). How about you? Catch you later

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scholar RE:Afterlife in Judaism-for Swhitebull. 7/1/2004 3:33:36 PM

Pilate: Now, what is your name, Jew? Brian: Brian. Pilate: Bwian, eh? Brian: (trying to be helpful) No, *Brian*. (The Centurion cuffs him.) Pilate: The little wascal has thpiwit. Centurion: Has what, sir? Pilate: *THPIWIT*. Centurion: Yes, he did, sir. Pilate: No, no, thpiwit...bwavado...a touch of dewwing-do. Centurion: (still not really understanding) Ah. About eleven, sir. Pilate: (to Brian) So you dare to waid uth. Brian: (rising to his feet) To what? Pilate: Stwike him, centuwion, vewwy woughly. Centurion: And throw him to the floor, Sir? Pilate: What? Centurion: THWOW him to the floor again, Sir? Pilate: Oh, yeth. Thwow him to the floor. (The Centurion knocks Brian hard on the side of the head again and the two guards throw him to the floor.) Pilate: Now, Jewith wapscallion. Brian: I'm not Jewish ... I'm a Roman! Pilate: *WOMAN*? Brian: No, *ROMAN*. (But he's not quick enough to avoid another blow from the Centurion.) Pilate: Tho, your father was a *WOMAN*. Who wath he? Brian: (proudly) He was a centurion in the Jerusalem Garrison. Pilate: Oh. What was his name? Brian: Nortius Maximus. (An involuntary titter arises from the Centurion.) Pilate: Centuwion, do we have anyone of that name in the gawwison? Centurion: Well...no, sir. Pilate: You sound vewwy sure...have you checked? Centurion: Well...no, sir. I think it's a joke, sir...like...Sillius Soddus, or...Biggus Dickus. Pilate: What's so funny about Bigguth Dickuth? Centurion: Well,...it's a...a joke name, sir. Pilate: I have a vewwy gweat fwend in Wome called Bigguth Dickuth. (Involuntary laughter from a nearby guard surprises Pilate.) Pilate: Silence! What is all this insolence? You will find yourself in gladiator school vewwy quickly with wotten behaviour like that. (The guard tries to stop giggling. Pilate turns away from him. He is angry.) Brian: Can I go now sir... (The Centurion strikes him.) Pilate: Wait till Bigguth hears of this! (The guard immediately breaks up again. Pilate turns on him.) Pilate: Wight! Centuwion...take him away. Centurion: Oh sir, he only.... Pilate: I want him fighting wabid wild animals within a week. Centurion: Yes, sir. (He starts to drag out the wretched guard. Brian notices that little attention is being paid to him.) Pilate: I will not have my fwendth widiculed by the common tholdiewy. (He walks slowly towards the other guards.) Pilate: Now...anyone else feel like a little giggle when I mention my fwend- (He goes right up to one of the guards.) Biggus ... Dickus. He has a wife you know. (The guards tense up.) Called Incontinentia. (The guards relax.) Incontinentia Buttockth! (The guards fall about laughing. Brian takes advantage of the chaos to slip away.) Thilenth! I've had enough of this wowdy webel behaviour. Thtop it! You call yourselves Pawaetonian guards? Thilence! (But the guards are all hysterical by now. Pilate notices Brian escaping.) You cwowd of cwacking-up cweeps. Theize him! Blow your noses and theize him! Oh, my bum.

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scholar RE:Afterlife in Judaism-for Swhitebull. 7/1/2004 3:37:34 PM

My training is in modern history. I can lecture you for hours on Moses Mendelssohn or Mordechai Kaplan. The old stuff I know from my own study. Superficial knowledge.

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Shirrush RE:Scholar & Swhitebull. 7/1/2004 6:27:17 PM

Thank you, thank you, thank you! ...For bringing up the "Life of Brian". There was much hot air around here about Gibson's gory flick, and I thought I was the only one to recall Monthy Python in that context, as probably the best movie ever made about the Story and/or the Late Hasmonean mayhem. Personally, the part I liked the best is when a Roman decurion catches that guy scrawling grafitti on the walls of Jerusalem...and berates him for his awful Latin grammar!

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scholar Bwian 7/1/2004 9:26:02 PM

When Gibson's Passion opened I through a Life of Brian party. I was somewhat disappointed. As a collection of skits, many are brilliant, but there were some rather dull moments. Still, I love the part when his mom deals with the crowd beneath his window. "He's not the messiah, he's my son, and he's been very naughty!" Or, "you are all individuals." "We are all individuals." "I"m not!" I'm sure you know the scene.

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Shirrush RE:Bwian 7/2/2004 1:45:32 PM

From a purely cinematographic point of view, the Life of Brian might be outdated, but for it's time it was brilliant. We've had a Monthy Python mini-cult going on around here since, uh, the late seventies. The club meets again sometime next week, and I hope that will enable me to lay my hand on some taped, or burnt, video material. Gotta go now. A git Shabbess. Coconut, coconut, coconut...

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scholar RE:Bwian 7/2/2004 1:51:56 PM

Shirrush, check out the extra stuff on the Life of Brian DVD. It includes deleted scenes as well as a whole series of stuff with this weird zionist/nazi group, the folks who appear at the very end of the movie to commit suicide. They all wear swastikas with magen davids, combined with an oddly japanese look. I can't help but wonder, were those scenes deleted because they weren't funny (they aren't) or because they were playing with serious fire?