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Subject: Blood Feuds And Genocide In The North
SYSOP    8/7/2014 5:41:27 AM
 
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keffler25       8/7/2014 8:21:00 AM
If there is any hope, in this lost war, it will be that the Kurds can hang on for two years until a new administration can be voted in to rescue what this administration has lost.  
 
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HR    bound to happen   8/7/2014 9:18:00 AM
The Shia are getting shock therapy.
 
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Farzam       8/7/2014 10:29:04 AM
The article mentions that Zoroastrians are now only found in India, which is wrong. There are about 30,000 of them in Iran and some also live in Pakistan and the west.
 
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HR    We might be back...   8/7/2014 5:16:39 PM
This is another possibility...
 
I am still amazed that with all the resources at their disposal the Shia cannot regain control of these areas... it is incompetence in a massive scale. With Christians involved you might see the USA, the French, et al. I would like to see how do we transport ourselves there quickly... hopefully the Kurds will cooperate.
 
 
 
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HR    We might be back...   8/7/2014 6:21:20 PM
This is another possibility...
 
I am still amazed that with all the resources at their disposal the Shia cannot regain control of these areas... it is incompetence in a massive scale. With Christians involved you might see the USA, the French, et al. I would like to see how do we transport ourselves there quickly... hopefully the Kurds will cooperate.
 
 
 
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FlamesInTheDesert       8/8/2014 9:13:22 AM


This is another possibility...


 

I am still amazed that with all the resources at their disposal the Shia cannot regain control of these areas... it is incompetence in a massive scale. With Christians involved you might see the USA, the French, et al. I would like to see how do we transport ourselves there quickly... hopefully the Kurds will cooperate.

 

 

Thats because they`re probably not interested in these areas,so long as they can defend the shia heartland then thats enough,in the event that iraq fragments they`ll get to keep baghdad and most of the oil so why should they help the sunnis who stand to be the big losers in this.It could also simply be that it takes time to build up,train and equip a large militia force,time will tell I guess.
 
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WarNerd       8/8/2014 1:50:59 PM
 
This is another possibility...
 
 
I am still amazed that with all the resources at their disposal the Shia cannot regain control of these areas... it is incompetence in a massive scale. With Christians involved you might see the USA, the French, et al. I would like to see how do we transport ourselves there quickly... hopefully the Kurds will cooperate.
Thats because they`re probably not interested in these areas,so long as they can defend the shia heartland then thats enough,in the event that iraq fragments they`ll get to keep baghdad and most of the oil so why should they help the sunnis who stand to be the big losers in this.It could also simply be that it takes time to build up,train and equip a large militia force,time will tell I guess.
The biggest chunk of the oil production, including most of the reserves, is located in ISIS and Kurdish territories.  The government cannot afford to give it up for very long without crippling economic effects.
 
More importantly, the majority of the water supply is there, and the ISIS has gained control.  The government may have to move the majority of the population out of Bagdad (to who knows where) just because they cannot supply clean water!  But one of the bigger worries seems to be that the ISIS could just open the flood gates and empty the reservoirs suddenly, raising the river level by 10m and flooding much of the cities downstream.  Yes, that will leave the ISIS areas without much water either, but they have already used similar tactics in Fallujah.
 
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ker    Irreplaceable   8/9/2014 12:01:19 PM
(To the left, to the left, everything you own in the box to the left. To the left to the left. So don't you ever for a second get to thinking that your irreplaceable.) Words from the Beyoncé song Irreplaceable. A key trick in the dictator game is to make your self irreplaceable and every one else interchanable. (I could have another you in a minute. Mater fact, he'll be here in a minute.) Maliki has been allowed to act irreplacable and that's our eror. If HRC and Kerry had been learning their Beyoncé we could be disalowing gengenocide rather than quibing about it. R2P? This all stems from the mistaken notion that we can leave the nasty world by bring the boys home. We can ignore the world at our whim but we can't ever leave it. We have the ttools for the problem but using them is hard for polititions who made their careers mocking and scolding and cutting them. Some O-3 needs to sit in Malikis replacements hat and when the replacement starts to steal sing (you must not know 'bout me, you must not know 'bout me, I could have another you in a minute...)
 
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CJH       8/9/2014 3:54:11 PM
" If HRC and Kerry had been learning their Beyoncé we could be disalowing gengenocide rather than quibing about it. R2P? This all stems from the mistaken notion that we can leave the nasty world by bring the boys home. We can ignore the world at our whim but we can't ever leave it."

But why do the American voters seem to be oblivious of common sense in this matter?

I choose to believe that to the extent that it is popular, our seeming war-weariness is more due to the moral failures of our nations' leadership than anything else.

Under both Bush and Obama, our nation has been drifting without sufficient levels of political organization and direction. But at least Bush knew what he was doing in Iraq even if he did not diligently lead the nation and Congress from the White House.

 
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ker       8/9/2014 4:39:26 PM
Could it be narcisim. "We don't like long wars." Tough cheese. I don't think like gravity but it ain't going away. We could engage in more effective ways and we could make practical choices to reduce suffering. Voters don't want to think about some things but those things remain dispite us. Isil says it wants to fly it's flags over the white house. Maybe we should make a plan. Bush failed to practice ecconomy of force/efort. Obama wants to subordanate DoD to the DoJ and declair war a thing of the past. That works so well every time we do it. Rant Rant Rant
 
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