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Subject: Sadr reappears
Plutarch    5/25/2007 12:14:52 PM
What was that about Sadr being in Iran? Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr appeared in public for the first time in months on Friday, delivering a fiery anti-American sermon to thousands of followers and demanding U.S. troops leave Iraq. It was not immediately clear why he chose to return now to his base in the Shiite holy city of Najaf from Iran. His speech had new nationalist overtones, calling on Sunnis to join with him in the fight against the U.S. presence. He also criticized the government's inability to provide reliable services to its people. Al-Sadr's reappearance, four months after he went underground at the start of the U.S.-led Baghdad security crackdown, came just hours before his Mahdi Army militia lost its top commander in the southern city of Basra in a gunbattle with British soldiers, Iraqi police said http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq Sadr was supposed to have run scared from the surge, and hid in Iran, but wherever he went, he's back, and as influential as ever.
 
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Panther       5/25/2007 12:44:26 PM
I'm actually surprised that he waited this long, what with his supporters feeling abandoned by Sadr at the start of the surge! He's got alot of politicking & butt kissing to make up for his cowardly flight. It seems he has lost alot of ground!
 
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Panther       5/25/2007 12:46:35 PM
Sadr was supposed to have run scared from the surge, and hid in Iran, but wherever he went, he's back, and as influential as ever.
 
Perhaps, you and i are interpreting this quite differently!
 
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Plutarch       5/25/2007 2:12:21 PM

Sadr was supposed to have run scared from the surge, and hid in Iran, but wherever he went, he's back, and as influential as ever.
 

Perhaps, you and i are interpreting this quite differently!



Sadr was probably in Iraq all along as he had direct control  over his flock; calling for protests last month and removing his cabinet officials.  It's hard to see how he could have done these things if he was in Iran.  He probably chose now to appear because he has weathered most of the "surge", and senses Maliki has weakened a great deal.  Also with Hakim of the terrorist organization SCIRI being treated for cancer in Iran Sadr has an opportunity to fill the power vaccum.  
 
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PlatypusMaximus       5/25/2007 2:31:08 PM
Oh, he was scared....4 months underground...That's like 50 years with your math...
 
 
He's probably betting we won't stir the shizz in his filthy hood untill we talk to Iran on Monday.
 
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Bob       5/25/2007 3:30:07 PM

Sadr was supposed to have run scared from the surge, and hid in Iran, but wherever he went, he's back, and as influential as ever.
Now you can break out your foam fingers and party poppers!

 
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swhitebull       5/25/2007 3:55:09 PM

What was that about Sadr being in Iran?

Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr appeared in public for the first time in months on Friday, delivering a fiery anti-American sermon to thousands of followers and demanding U.S. troops leave Iraq.
It was not immediately clear why he chose to return now to his base in the Shiite holy city of Najaf from Iran. His speech had new nationalist overtones, calling on Sunnis to join with him in the fight against the U.S. presence. He also criticized the government's inability to provide reliable services to its people.
Al-Sadr's reappearance, four months after he went underground at the start of the U.S.-led Baghdad security crackdown, came just hours before his Mahdi Army militia lost its top commander in the southern city of Basra in a gunbattle with British soldiers, Iraqi police said
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Sadr was supposed to have run scared from the surge, and hid in Iran, but wherever he went, he's back, and as influential as ever.

You are quoting a REVISED article, with a different writer. The original article stated the following:
 
 
Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr appeared in public for the first time in months on Friday and delivered a fiery anti-American sermon in the holy Shiite city of Kufa.

"No, no for the devil. No, no for America. No, no for the occupation. No, no for Israel," he chanted at the start of his speech. The roughly 6,000 worshippers in the mosque repeated after him.

Al-Sadr told the worshippers that "the occupation forces should leave Iraq," and condemned fighting between his Mahdi Army militia and Iraqi security forces, saying it "served the interests of the occupiers."

Al-Sadr had gone into hiding in Iran four months ago at the start of the Baghdad security crackdown, but U.S. military officials said early Friday that he had returned to the holy city of Najaf, where he has a house.

 
Wayback machines are wonderful. as is Captain Ed's post from 5:42 AM today, with the original article, which has now been edited.
 

Look Who's Showing His Face Again

After an absence of almost four months from public life, Moqtada al-Sadr finally surfaced in the city of Kufa today. He did his typical anti-US, anti-Israel rant at Friday prayers, the first time he has been seen in Iraq since before the surge:

Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr appeared in public for the first time in months on Friday and delivered a fiery anti-American sermon in the holy Shiite city of Kufa.

"No, no for the devil. No, no for America. No, no for the occupation. No, no for Israel," he chanted at the start of his speech. The roughly 6,000 worshippers in the mosque repeated after him.

Al-Sadr told the worshippers that "the occupation forces should leave Iraq," and condemned fighting between his Mahdi Army militia and Iraqi security forces, saying it "served the interests of the occupiers."

Al-Sadr had gone into hiding in Iran four months ago at the start of the Baghdad security crackdown, but U.S. military officials said early Friday that he had returned to the holy city of Najaf, where he has a house.

 

So why now? After all, Sadr had been mailing it in from Iran for four months, afraid that the US surge meant to target him personally. Even after he saw that it remained limited to Baghdad, Diyala, and Anbar and didn't involve Najaf, he kept out of sight and out of Iraq. It hardly presented a profile in courage for Iraqis, most of whose politicians and elected officers (including the Sadrists) remained where they were.

Typically, he sees an opportunity or two to feast off the misery of others. The AP reports that one rival on the Supreme Islamic Council of imams in Iraq has lung cancer and had to go to Iran himself for medical treatment. Sadr wants to replace him as leader of the council while he's weak. Also, many people question whether the Maliki government will survive, and even though Maliki allied himself with Sadr politically, Sadr wants to be in position to exploit Maliki's weakness as well.

One other point in this article bears criticism. Sinan Salaheddin, writing for the AP, asserts that the "Mahdi Army fought U.S. troops to a virtual standstill in 2004".

 
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Plutarch       5/25/2007 4:47:45 PM

swhitebull  ---   Regardless,  he BUGGED OUT and abandoned his evil minions in order to protect his own hide when the surge was announced, which was the point of my original post, and which resulted in you getting your panties in a knot over whether he was in Iran or not, rather than analyzing the causes of his bugging out. Trees and forests and tunnel vision, Plutie.

 

Going underground in Iraq to avoid assassination attempts like this one:

 

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2565123.ece

 

 

While still manipulating the politics from behind the scenes is not quite the same thing as hiding in Iran.   One denotes shrewdness the other cowardice, but subtly, and gray areas have always been lost on you haven’t they swhitebull?  That your initial analysis was wrong is not my problem. The surge is still ongoing yet the Mahdi Army has not been reduced in strength, the Sadrists pulled out of the Iraqi government severely weakening Maliki, and Sadr still remains in control.  How did he BUG OUT, how was he scared; he rarely makes public appearances anyway? If we don’t hear from him for another four months are you still going to claim he is scared? 

Sadr makes anti-American remarks, urges his followers to protest US presence in Iraq, removes his ministers from the cabinet, and has his JAM army engage both coalition targets and Sunnis, but he is so scared of the surge because he doesn’t speak in public for four months. 

 

Do you see a disconnect here, the reality doesn’t match the rhetoric.

 
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Pseudonym       5/25/2007 5:38:02 PM
"Sadr makes anti-American remarks, urges his followers to protest US presence in Iraq, removes his ministers from the cabinet, and has his JAM army engage both coalition targets and Sunnis, but he is so scared of the surge because he doesn’t speak in public for four months."

He just like to hide you silly Republicans.

Didn't you ever play hide and seek?
 
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PlatypusMaximus       5/25/2007 7:14:40 PM

National Guard 1, Mahdi Army 0

In Sadr City, an altercation involving a member of the Mahdi Army and an Iraqi National Guard officer didn’t turn out well for the militia. The Mahdi Army member confronted the officers at a National Guard checkpoint, telling them that the neighborhood didn't want any protection from the Guard. A National Guard officer told the Mahdi Army man that they would remove the checkpoint if the people of the area didn’t want them there. The people who had gathered around the checkpoint grew angry with that idea, telling the Mahdi Army man in harsh language to keep quiet, and apologizing to the officer. The checkpoint stayed in place.

 
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PlatypusMaximus       5/25/2007 7:15:52 PM
Baghdad, Feb 28, (VOI) – Main security developments in Iraq on Wednesday:

 

Mosul- Unidentified gunmen shot and killed on Wednesday a senior Iraqi police officer along with two of his companions in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, a police source said.

Falluja- Unknown gunmen waged on Wednesday an attack at a U.S. base in west of Falluja, 45 km west of Baghdad, a security source said.

Basra- A British soldier died on Wednesday of wounds sustained from an attack with small-arms fire in the southern Iraqi city of Basra, spokeswoman for the British forces in southern Iraq on Wednesday.

Hilla- Two Iraqi policemen were killed on Wednesday when mortar shells landed onto a police checkpoint north of Hilla, 100 km south of Baghdad, a police source said.

Falluja- An Iraqi army base was attacked on Wednesday afternoon with mortar shells near Falluja city, 45 km west of Baghdad, a security source said.

Baghdad- At least two Iraqi policemen were killed and four more were wounded on Wednesday when a booby-trapped car went off targeting a police station in central Baghdad, a police source said.

Baghdad- Unidentified gunmen killed on Wednesday two brothers of the parliament member and spokesman for the Sunni Iraqi Accordance Front Salim al-Juburi, a police source said.

Diala- Iraqi police forces killed on Wednesday a gunman and freed a captive during a security crackdown in west of Diala province, 57 km northeast of Baghdad, a police source said.

Baghdad- U.S. forces shot dead two Iraqis in south of Tikrit, 175 km north of Baghdad, while armed men killed a civilian in north of the city, a security source said on Wednesday.

Kirkuk- Four Iraqi soldiers were wounded Wednesday when an explosive device went off on the highway southwest of Kirkuk, 250km northeast Baghdad, while an official in Kirkuk police department survived an attempt on his life in south of the city, a police source said.

Falluja- At least four people were killed and six others were wounded when two mortar shells were fired onto al-Khalidiyah city, east of Ramadi, 110 km west of Baghdad, an eyewitness said on Wednesday.

Baghdad- At least ten people were killed and 21 others were wounded on Wednesday morning in southern Baghdad, a police source said.

 
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