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Subject: Brutal facts of controlling Iraq--How many need to be killed??
Herc the Merc    1/2/2007 4:50:36 PM
Fact is such countries are bought inline by brute force--Wherein the militant elements are hunted down and hit hard, the US policy is appeasement and essentially fireside chats with some targetted missions. I think if u count the disbanded army plus Shia extremists-at least 150,000+ male adults need to be eliminated. Thats tough to do nowadays. But the fact is brutality works, and America cannot be brutal so....?? bak to square one...or can we allow our military to unleash hell??
 
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sentinel28a       1/3/2007 3:21:52 AM
I don't think the number is that high, but I find myself in the strange position of agreeing with Herc!
 
What are we willing to do to win?  That's a question we need to ask ourselves.
 
 
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xylene       1/3/2007 3:47:58 AM
It's a lost cause. The USA does not have the will to unleash hell and we just killed the guy that had the will to do it.  Saddam knew the only way to keep those animals in line was to rule with an iron fist. Iraq needs an iron fist and no one is willing to fist them.
 
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kensohaski       1/6/2007 1:19:19 PM

It's a lost cause. The USA does not have the will to unleash hell and we just killed the guy that had the will to do it.  Saddam knew the only way to keep those animals in line was to rule with an iron fist. Iraq needs an iron fist and no one is willing to fist them.



Well from Hussein's POV that would be correct now would it not?
 
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AFA2007       1/6/2007 2:15:20 PM
It's getting harder and harder to find a "friendly" ruthless dictator to do business with these days - what with all the wimpy, nay-sayer, humanitarians in our country now.

About all we got left to deal with are is the House of Saud.

Which, ultimately, is what the strategy in Iraq has come down to now - preservation of the House of Saud
 
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Pseudonym       1/6/2007 2:28:25 PM
"It's a lost cause. The USA does not have the will to unleash hell and we just killed the guy that had the will to do it.  Saddam knew the only way to keep those animals in line was to rule with an iron fist. Iraq needs an iron fist and no one is willing to fist them."

Due to this sentence you are now never again allowed to get angry over illegal or questionable deaths attributed to the United States or Iraqi Militaries.  If you do you are a complete hypocrite.
 
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xylene       1/6/2007 2:36:57 PM

"It's a lost cause. The USA
does not have the will to unleash hell and we just killed the guy that
had the will to do it.  Saddam knew the only way to keep those animals
in line was to rule with an iron fist. Iraq needs an iron fist and no
one is willing to fist them."

Due to this sentence you are now never again allowed to get angry over illegal or questionable deaths attributed to the United States or Iraqi Militaries.  If you do you are a complete hypocrite.


I never cared for the Iraqi people, and I always wondered why so many on this board believe America has to sacrifice on their behalf. I never been to Iraq, never met and Iraqi, why would I advocate Americans make the ultimate sacrifice for a group of people I am foriegn to. I'll continue to get angry over American deaths , because the Iraqis are not worth it.
 
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Herc the Merc    Xylene   1/6/2007 5:33:45 PM



"It's a lost cause. The USA
does not have the will to unleash hell and we just killed the guy that
had the will to do it.  Saddam knew the only way to keep those animals
in line was to rule with an iron fist. Iraq needs an iron fist and no
one is willing to fist them."

Due to this sentence you are now never again allowed to get angry over illegal or questionable deaths attributed to the United States or Iraqi Militaries.  If you do you are a complete hypocrite.



I never cared for the Iraqi people, and I always wondered why so many on this board believe America has to sacrifice on their behalf. I never been to Iraq, never met and Iraqi, why would I advocate Americans make the ultimate sacrifice for a group of people I am foriegn to. I'll continue to get angry over American deaths , because the Iraqis are not worth it.

Whats further odd is neither do most Iraqis like us, the average Iraqi is an uneducated Islamic type (Shia and Sunni). The closest they get to American culture is probably the Nike swoosh on some of those fake Chinese T-shirts. I simply fail to see the point of this endeavor. People just don't get it. They make rescuing the FRench seem an act of brotherhood, though plenty r questioning the FRench liberation in WW2 nowadays--the Iraqis are 10,000 times more averse to us; frankly theu are downright hostile.
 
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EW3       1/6/2007 6:37:44 PM
"the Nike swoosh on some of those fake Chinese T-shirts."
 
Just what is a fake Chinese T-shirts?  Does that mean it's made in the USA?
 
 
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Ashley-the-man       1/6/2007 10:46:47 PM
 
"I don't think the number is that high, but I find myself in the strange position of agreeing with Herc!
 
What are we willing to do to win?  That's a question we need to ask ourselves."
 
Load up 6 million Sunnis and ship them to Syria.  The process has been accelerating over the last six years.  Lets just make it a bit easier.
 
 
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jastayme3       1/9/2007 12:57:07 PM


 Now that I think about it the absolute number does not matter so much as the number that can be killed in a short time and in a dramatic manner.  Incremental casualties don't seem to bother them as much as us whereas a large number in a small time can give a shock. Which may mean we will have to rediscover cordan-and-sweep; useless for pacification unless to gain time to consolidate, but most useful for punitive.
 
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