Wow the unashamed equivocating begins in earnest.  I can go back and find all the old posts that state that Iraq is not in a state of civil war, it is not unstable, blah, blah, blah, some even posted by you DA.  NOW you want to talk about the relevant points of the war?  Okay how about how do we stop the violence that is killing 115 Iraqis (at a minimum) per day?  Oh wait that's sectarian violence that has nothing to do with the US and the GWOT, we are only focused on AQI...but according to you we beat AQI, so why can't we just leave now?
 

When you get from behind your bias and listen to warriors about wars rather than left wing news and blogs this will start to make sense to you. Until then I guess you are Lima-Lima-Mike-Foxtrot!

"Lost Like a Motley
Fool---when you get your officer's commission let me know...no wait
I'll be able to tell since your spelling and grammar will improve."



How are you today you John Kerry wannabe.



Let me guess, this statement is a botched joke and you didn't just call our soldiers stupid?



Enjoy being ignored, you just got put on the John Kerry hit the mute button list.



God pricks like this make me wish I could swear on here.

No it's just me getting tired of DA's bombastic attitude and arrogance, it gets to the point of serious derangement.  On the other hand Shek, a fine soldier, West Point grad, and instructor is verbose and knowledgeable on many subjects, and someone I have great respect for; DA could learn a lot from him.

 

It doesn't hurt my feelings for you to ignore me, and I'd rather be ignored than insulted.

When you get from behind your bias and listen to warriors about wars rather than left wing news and blogs this will start to make sense to you. Until then I guess you are Lima-Lima-Mike-Foxtrot!

Darth,

Plutarch's points about the civilian deaths in Iraq are tremendously important and appropriate, at least according to the CENTCOM commander, General Abizaid.  His #1 concern is the sectarian violence in Iraq, and in fact, MG Caldwell published an oped on the subject of sectarian violence today, demonstrating how important the top leadership in Iraq feels about the sectarian violence.  The fact that the level of sectarian violence is on an upward trendline is not comforting news for the stated goals in Iraq - a secure and stable democracy that is an ally in the GWOT.  If you disagree with his numbers that were presented earlier in the thread, you can look here:

 

link

I'm still waiting to hear of the PC attack plan that would have quelled
the hatred that has been brewing in Iraq for a long long time.



Fact is Iraq is and always was a long term war.  Build up the
Iraqi's and let them fight it, that's the plan.  Fix mistakes as
they happen, but to expect perfection is ludicrous. Go tell those
slaughtered by Saddam that they cannot have their revenge, see how far
you get.  Come up with a bribery plan, and watch them take the
bribe and do it anyway.  Nothing was going to stop the incessant
slaughter, if we hadn't gone it would still be Saddam slaughtering
everyone else.  We are there to bring effective government to the
country that will eventually turn this war into a police action, taking
decades if not centuries to quell the unrest.  



We could stay there for a decade with a million troops, effective
leadership, and massive success, never solving a single solitary
problem.  Only the Iraqi's can win this war, we are the outsiders.



This is and always was an Iraqi fight, we cannot stop the slaughter
short of sending in millions of troops and putting boots on every
corner, and leaving them there indefinitely.  We are the referee's
on their march toward effective government.  We show them the
rules and keep them playing as fair as possible, penalizing them when
necessary.

Picked this up from LGFooseballs...

 

Murtha: "The President Has No Power"

A triumphant Rep. John Murtha describes what will happen if he’s elected Majority Leader, to a sympathetic interviewer at NPR: Murtha to Run for Majority Lea.... (Hat tip: John.)

Regarding Iraq:

Winning is not a strategy, victory is not a strategy.

What the Dems will do:

We’re gonna say, here’s a plan that we have, and Speaker Pelosi has signed on to the plan I have, stability in the Middle East, stability in Iraq comes from redeployment of our troops, and that’s gonna be what we’ll work for.

On the Presidency:

Listen, this is not a dictatorship. The President can say all he wants to. The President has, has no power. The President is a, a perception of power. And he’s lost that power in this election.