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Pseudonym RE:Iraqi Shia are preparing to give the Sunni a dose of their own medicine 11/29/2005 4:44:12 AM

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Pseudonym RE:Iraqi Shia are preparing to give the Sunni a dose of their own medicine 11/29/2005 4:49:39 AM

"I think you give Saddam too much credit. He is not a smart man having lost three wars, and his country to a foreign invader, he isn't smart enough to keep up a global conspiracy for years on end. If the oil for food scandal could be uncovered so easily so too would Saddam's ties to al Qaeda. They haven't because they are not there." I gotta hit this point again. The UN was not a terrorist group, it does not operate as such, which means they left a paper trail. Now Saddam and however many terrorists he met with went out of their way not to leave a paper trail. There is a big big difference here that I hope you can see. It is late and i cannot fully articulate the error of the assumption that tracing Al Qaeda activities is as easy as tracing the activites of the UN. The UN is watched by all the governments on the planet and operates openly, they are scrutinized by Media day in and day out. And you are saying that Al Qaeda who has no public presence whatsoever, and goes far far out of its way not to leave a trail is just as easy a nut to crack.

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Herodotus RE:Iraqi Shia are preparing to give the Sunni a dose of their own medicine 11/29/2005 1:26:51 PM

"Now Saddam and however many terrorists he met with went out of their way not to leave a paper trail." They don't leave a paper trail? So how can we follow every move made by Atta when he was in the US? Of course terrorists leave a paper trail, Abu Nidal lived openly in Baghdad, and his movements were well documented. Even if there was no paper trail though it is still improbable that Iraq had a link to the 1993 bombing. The 1993 WTC bombing did not take a lot of know-how or money to pull off, only about six hundred dollars to rent the truck, and buy the bomb materials (wired by KSM), the urea and nitric acid were ordered from chemical comapnies in the US, the instructions for mixing the chemicals was found in a pamphlet produced by former mujhadeen in Afghanistan, the fuses were lit by a cigarette lighter. As for Yousef's passport; the crux of Mylroie's argument that Iraq was behind the attack; she states that there was a notation in Abdul Basit's file that his family left Kuwait for Iraq on Aug. 26, 1990 while Kuwait was occupied by Iraq. But if Iraqi intel. presumably had access to this file and wanted to use Abdul Basit's identity--why not just lie about the date? It was a handwritten notation, so it would have been easy to do. Iraqi forces "only" killed about 600 Kuwaitis during the occupation, while 300,000 Kuwaitis fled (and yes some went through Iraq, bribery is very useful in that part of the world). It seems likely that Abdul Basit Karim's family left Kuwait through Iraq, by paying a bribe, and fled to Pakistan. Abdul Basit Karim stayed in Kuwait, and may or may not have collaborated some with the regime. After the 1991 Gulf War he left Kuwait for Pakistan, and met up with the Afghan Arabs, became trained in explosives, and CI ops, and given some backing by them. He was angry at the US for various reasons, but probably more motivated by money and fame. He bought a fake Iraqi passport in Karachi on the black market, went to the US with his partner (who had the bomb making instructions), claimed politcal asylum, was fingerprinted and detained briefly. He contacted Shiek Rahman, got his bomb-making instrcutions back, met up with Rahaman's men who hated the US and Israel and Jews,et al, decided to blow up the WTC to punish the US, had his uncle wire him 600 dollars, bought some chemicals from a local chemical company, spent several months working on making a simple bomb, rented a big truck, bought a plane ticket, ditched his old fake passport, got his real passport through the Pakistani consualte, set off the bomb, and flew to Pakistan. That's it, that's the timeline. Here is another link on the Iraqi lnks to 1993 WTC: link The intel. that Cheney cites on Yasin is unspecified and undocumented and nothing else has been made of it. Abdul Basit Karim's fingerprints from England in 1989 match Ramzi Yousef's fingerprints from 1993 and from the time he was arrested. "The Justice Department provided staffers and resources to a secret mission ordered by Wolfowitz, which showed that Yousef and Basit are the same person, which is the conclusion reached by virtually every other credible investigation. The secret mission, led by former CIA director James Woolsey, compared Yousef's fingerprints (taken in prison) with prints on file for Abdul Basit in England, where he attended college in the late 1980s ? prior to the date Mylroie claims "Basit" was replaced by an Iraqi agent." I think that is definitive.

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Pseudonym RE:Iraqi Shia are preparing to give the Sunni a dose of their own medicine 11/29/2005 2:24:42 PM

I was referring to the fact they left no paper trail between them and Iraq. As in the fact there were no signed contracts between the two as was the case in the UN oil as bribe scam.

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Pseudonym RE:Iraqi Shia are preparing to give the Sunni a dose of their own medicine 11/29/2005 2:33:37 PM

Let me hit this point one last time. While you are correct that you can follow the movements of these people once you have names and passports, for those IDENTIFIED, no one knows what they said. Now my mind is open to the fact that it is possible they had no ties to terrorism, however improbable. But you are acting as if you have incontrovertibale proof. You do not. You have some doucuments saying they went here and there, with no mention of who they saw and what they did. There is a big difference between moving, which leaves a paper trail, and terrorist activities which are not written down and are usually disscussed, not memoed.

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Pseudonym RE:Al Qaeda In Iraq is going to get all Sunni's slaughtered or forced to flee 11/29/2005 4:11:59 PM

Another example of why the Iraq War is working. They are their own worst enemy. Every muslim they kill brings their defeat a day closer. link "Al-Zarqawi disowned by extended family, clan Kin publish ads in newspapers criticizing leader of al-Qaida in Iraq group AMMAN, Jordan - More than 370 members of the clan of al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi joined his family Tuesday in publishing a full-page letter in Jordanian newspapers disowning him. The letter was the family?s second attempt in 20 days to convince Jordanians that it has renounced all ties to the militant who has claimed responsibility for the Nov. 9 attacks on Amman hotels in which three suicide bombers killed 60 people and wounded hundreds of others. Al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmad Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, uses a name derived from the Jordanian city of Zarqa, where he was born, about 17 miles northeast of Amman...."

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Herodotus RE:Iraqi Shia are preparing to give the Sunni a dose of their own medicine 11/29/2005 4:44:26 PM

"Now my mind is open to the fact that it is possible they had no ties to terrorism, however improbable. But you are acting as if you have incontrovertibale proof. You do not. You have some doucuments saying they went here and there, with no mention of who they saw and what they did. There is a big difference between moving, which leaves a paper trail, and terrorist activities which are not written down and are usually disscussed, not memoed. " I concede this point to you, for all I know Iraq may have used oral instructions to Yousef, Yasin, et. al to finish their goals. However there is a lot of inherent risk involved in invading and occupying an unfriendly, large nation-state based on innunedo and remote possibilites of loose connections. If every country went to war because they were hit by a terrorist attack that had been state sponsored we would have eternal warfare. The Israelis can restrain themselves from invading Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran every time a suicide bomber goes off, Iran did not invade Iraq for support of the MEK, the British were not eager to invade Ireland for their support of the IRA, The Indians do not wage war against the Pakistanis for their support of Kashmiri terrorists, and finally Sri Lanka does not take serious issue with Indian support of the LTTE. It depends on how managable the terrorist situation is I guess. None of these nations were hit on the scale of 9/11, so the US also runs the risk of having escalating terrorist attacks on their soil if they did not act. Or it could be that AQ and the terrorists blew their wad on 9/11, and they could not repeat it. Like I said before the war is a Cost-Benefit Analysis: Afghanistan was hit hard for support of AQ and most of the terrorists have been rounded up, was it really necessary to take down Iraq as well for 9/11?

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Pseudonym RE:Iraqi Shia are preparing to give the Sunni a dose of their own medicine 11/29/2005 5:09:46 PM

Ok Hero be Bush for a moment. You need a place in the Middle East to fight terror. You are looking for a place, among other reasons we all know, to draw the enemy into. Now who was the craziest trigger happy one of them all? Saddam made himself the target. His unpredictability is what made him an early target for the WOT. He encompassed the most reasons for invading a country, then add in the fact that he would soon have gotten off UN Sanctions by bribery and would then be in a position to continue his reign of tyrrany and oppression. When the sanctions dropped Saddam would have had even more resources to use in revenge against the USA. If you were Saddam would you sit back and ignore the country that just kicked your you know what? Or would you follow Saddam's Hero Hitlers rise from the ashes to pay back the infidel? Saddam was a big threat. Of all the countries in the Middle East with a reason to support terror attacks against the USA I would have to say Saddam ranked right up there with Saudi and Pakistan. Saddam made himself a target, he played with fire and whether or not he was lying half the time or all the time he was due to get burned.

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Pseudonym RE:Iraqi Shia are preparing to give the Sunni a dose of their own medicine 11/29/2005 5:17:57 PM

"Like I said before the war is a Cost-Benefit Analysis: Afghanistan was hit hard for support of AQ and most of the terrorists have been rounded up, was it really necessary to take down Iraq as well for 9/11?" Afghanistan was merely fighting the symptoms of the disease. Iraq is our first attempt to fight the disease itself. This is a disease that does not handle the Media spotlight well and is currently eating itself alive. Iraq is a focal point, it is where we are trying to reverse the state of mind that terrorism is a working method to win their war. Killing innocents to terrorize people is not acceptable. I could accept the fact they accidentally killed innocents while attacking military targets. Those type of people I consider freedom fighters. To target innocent men especially the women and children is what makes a terrorist a terrorist.

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Pseudonym RE:Iraqi Shia are preparing to give the Sunni a dose of their own medicine 11/29/2005 5:22:52 PM

If the Sunni's had half a brain they would have made peace with the Shia and used whatever little leverage Iraqi National Honor was good for in their tribal lifestyle to at the least make the Shia neutral while they fought the USA. If they had done that they could have made Iraq another Vietnam for us. As it is going now, whatever happens to Iraq be it staying together or fragmenting the terrorists have lost this fight. This is not a war for Democracy in my eyes. THis is a war to expose Radical Islam as the murderers they are and to take away the glorified view of it that the Middle Eastern and North African Muslims have come to accept as reality.

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