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Subject: Fallujah Brigade disbanded: a turning point in the Sunni triangle?
EastWind_81    9/12/2004 5:23:26 PM
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The Fallujah Brigade was essentially the first major attempt to rely on local Iraqis to tame the insurgency, and after less than 5 months it's vaporized so thoroughly that yesterday's official announcement of its dissolution was almost anticlimactic. Contrary to what the Bush administration endlessly claims (and SP slavishly repeats), there's no such thing as reliable "Iraqi forces" that can get the job done in the Sunni triangle - at least not before the scheduled January elections.

Sunni Iraq now appears on the brink of a major turn - whether for better or worse remains to be seen. The interim government's strategy of trying to coopt moderate insurgents has already bore some fruit on paper, most recently in the deal to allow US forces to reenter Samarra (another hotbed of Sunni resistance). As of yesterday, however, it remains doubtful that this deal will prove any more substantive and survivable than the accord that created the Fallujah brigade, as insurgents still roam freely in Samarra: link

It's clear that many insurgents won't accept anything less than a complete US withdrawal from the region, not just the cities. With some moderates laying down their arms (for now), the various extremist cells must coordinate more closely to be effective. This is both a threat and an opportunity for both sides. The interim gov't and US forces must now strive to isolate the implacable rebels from the moderates, whose passivity will be critical in the upcoming confrontation. The diehard insurgents on the other hand must present enough of a challenge to necessitate an all-out US assault on Sunni cities - such an assault, they think, will compel some of the moderates to rejoin armed resistance.

So it all boils down to a simple question: will the insurgents succeed in drawing an excessively heavyhanded US crackdown, or will the US fight smart enough to keep the insurgents isolated?.
 
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terrain21u    RE:Fallujah Brigade disbanded: a turning point in the Sunni triangle?   9/12/2004 5:56:35 PM
I don't think just keeping these guys isolated will solve the problem. The problem seems that we let these guys negotiate their way out of tight spots. We get them on the ropes then they say they'll lay down their arms and walk away and we let them. Then they proceed somewhere else, get new weapons, and start all over again. The best way to deal with them is to not let them decide when to start negotiating. Give them a deadline and if they fail to meet it, they don't get a second chance. We go in a don't let them walk away. The US doesn't have the assets to seal these insurgents off from each other or to play them off against each other.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Fallujah Brigade disbanded: a turning point in the Sunni triangle?   9/13/2004 5:07:17 AM
Hey, the Fallujah Brigade was worth a try. It didn't work. Mistake learned. Next time, let the Marines finish the job. Somebody is apparently playing ball on our team, since the insurgency in Fallujah keeps getting bombed. Is it working? Eastwind will say no, but we'll see. Terrain, I'm in agreement. Ceasefires aren't working.
 
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EastWind_81    RE:Fallujah Brigade disbanded: a turning point in the Sunni triangle?   9/13/2004 10:24:23 AM
"Somebody is apparently playing ball on our team, since the insurgency in Fallujah keeps getting bombed." It depends which category of insurgents is getting bombed. If I understand correctly, the bombing raids have concentrated heavily on Zarqawi's gang of foreign Islamists, who are disliked even by Iraqis that have little love for the US. Pinpoint strikes on suspected Al Qaeda hideouts make for good publicity - allowing US officials to paint the counterinsurgency as an extension of the war against those that perpetrated 9/11. But in reality, the foreign Islamists are still only a small part of the insurgency, and far more significant nowadays are the homegrown fundamentalists and the Baathists that are either willing or intimidated into collaborating with them. Fallujah's now dominated by a Taliban-like council that makes no secret of its goal to rid Iraq of US troops, and surgical strikes that focus on the small percentage of foreign radicals are insufficient.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:Fallujah Brigade disbanded: a turning point in the Sunni triangle?   9/13/2004 10:42:59 AM
the zarq network is largley in control of the city. he is the target. he is signifigant.
 
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displacedjim    RE:Fallujah Brigade disbanded: a turning point in the Sunni triangle?   9/13/2004 11:54:43 AM
"the zarq network is largley in control of the city. he is the target. he is signifigant." -- PM ---- Hey, I believe you, PM, but I'm in agreement with Easty: along with continued bombing of the Zarqawi elements, we need to bomb the home-grown radicals, too. Displacedjim
 
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Vulture    RE:Fallujah Brigade disbanded: so the town becomes an example for the New Iraqi govt   9/13/2004 12:46:11 PM
Once an elected govt is in place , they will have to take action on Fallujah. The presupposes they don't convince the US to take the "Fall" for Fallujah's insurgency. My guess is the Iraqi army shifts its artillery to the town and they turn it to rubble as a lesson for the other Sunni enclaves. Iraqis don't do subtle very well.
 
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terrain21u    RE:Fallujah Brigade disbanded: so the town becomes an example for the New Iraqi govt   9/13/2004 4:10:50 PM
Hmmm...Isn't that part of the reason we kicked Sadaam out of power. His lack of subtlety when dealing with people that didn't want him in power. It doesn't set a good precedent. Some pecision bombing and raids would seem to be the order of the day.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Fallujah Brigade disbanded: so the town becomes an example for the New Iraqi govt   9/14/2004 8:33:12 AM
Easty, I'll admit that AQ is only part of the problem, but it's hardly insignificant or represents a small portion of the insurgency. Most of the car bombs and suicide bombers have been AQ--something even al-Jihad (er, Jazeera, sorry) and the Beeb have admitted to. And then there's all that recent fighting on the Syria-Iraq border. I'm still waiting for an explanation for the dichotomy between the people who have been there--who say things could be better but were certainly a lot worse a year ago--and statements that we might as well cut and run.
 
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TriggaFingaz    Interesting insurgent tale   9/14/2004 4:35:42 PM
In The Observer, journalist Jason Burke interviewed a guerilla who was NOT a Mahdi militant, foreign AQ bas**** or Baathist diehard. He was the 'fourth' category- a regular guy who originally supported the Baathist downfall but then, Al Jaz's footage of non-combatant deaths and mosque destruction, always blamed on the US no doubt, turned him into an anti-coalition fighter. Also, he was convinced that the US failure to prevent the looting orgy was deliberately planned to destroy Iraq. Here's the unusual, contradictory nature of this insurgent: by day time he works a regular job, by night he and his cell try to attack US troops. This man is some kind of Jim Crow bigot, he admits to aborting an attack 'because the US patrol had no blacks'. He owns up that funds are short and many Iraqis don't support his gang's work. The cell is largely autonomous and only receives occassional orders from a cleric. He hates the Mahdi army, who he denounces as a gang of thieves. Relations with foreign jihadi scum are even worse, becoz they don't care how many Iraqis they murder. And he still hates Baathists. This cell member wishes to use bigger bombs in Baghdad, but has refrained from doing so becoz there are too many non combatants about. Strange fella isn't he? Won't indiscriminitely attack the innocent, racist against blacks and not trying to exaggerate the level of popular support his gang gets.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Interesting insurgent tale   9/15/2004 1:25:44 AM
Maybe the trick would be to turn these groups against each other.
 
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