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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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On Watch    kiss my hips...not on a bet!   8/20/2004 10:18:23 AM
PS. Girls are GIs too you know. What would I be doing flapping my hips at them? Don't be offended sweetie, it's just something "glow worms" do unconsciously, something about getting fish to take the bait I've been told (by learned anglers)! As for your new and revised cover story, "reading for my masters" I'm not buying that either, maybe the French ('gus or Jean) are in the market? Now run along and do your spelling homework, and some actual research! And stop bothering the real thinkers in this tank! escuse insites resourse arguement On Watch -- Let's Roll
 
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cowboy caesar    RE:Americans must respect Islam   8/20/2004 9:37:34 PM
>>I'm currently in Korea just now and I have had ample opportunity to observe exactly how low moral is amoung those who will soon be leaving for Iraq<< May I suggest you ask your comrades for a blanket party? That ought to cheer them up. ;-)
 
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Uchiita    RE:kiss my hips...not on a bet!   8/20/2004 11:53:49 PM
Glowworms to bed GIs? Hmmm, that's an interesting suggestion, - sort of Romeo and Juliet, except across the razor wire? How romantic! I suppose it would actually add an extra tension or two, but I think I am a more proficient - and selective - angler (or at least I was before I caught a fish too fine for me to let go :)) than most of America's finest that rage through the streets - with pathetic desperation - trying to find some willing arms in those few short hours before curfew. Besides, rather than wriggling my arse at GIs on a Friday night, I was on the net researching Chemical Weapons, and posting on this list. Maybe I should get a life. Incidentally, A girl doesn't need to flap her hips at many of the military's representatives here. The cat calls, hey baby's etc etc are leveled at all women between the ages of 13-40 here, although the Korean girls have it much worse than westerners. When it comes to talking about "honour" and "respect", I'll put to you that the US Military, when off duty, knows very little about it. Fortunately there are some honourable men and women who do much to preserve the reputation of the military here. I have no curiosity anyway. I got that all out my system when I was busy misspending my youth in Latin America. Perhaps I should have signed on with a handle of "Hulk2004" or some other macho term and this would have prevented the ignorant, patronising and sexually abusive language you are using. What you are attempting to do is cow me. I will assume that you have no better means at your disposal: such as reason. You only learn by engaging ideological opponents, they keep you honest. Surrounding yourself by yes-men will only make your arguments weaker. Something which you would do well to remember: tyranny is no argument. Nor has history shown it to be particularly successful. So, answer my points if you disagree with them, or else, desist. My masters starts in August next year, where I will specialise in Asia security, and my work for the last two years has been in social and industrial conflict resolution in South Asia. Believe that or not as you will, but do not attempt to use verbal sexual threats because you know I am female. You damage your credibility, and your reputation by doing so. Once again I invite all those with a special interest in the geopolitics of Asia and the Middle East to share their views - especially regarding the stockpiling and use of chemical agents. Uchiita. PS Thanks for the tips about my spelling. I have dyslexia which means I am creative with it, but I will check future posts from now on to respect your delicate sensibilities. I may have to shorten my words in the future, too, since it is apparent that my command of the English language is significantly more proficient than yours. Now run along and play with your toys.
 
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Uchiita    RE:Americans must respect Islam   8/20/2004 11:58:09 PM
>>I'm currently in Korea just now and I have had ample opportunity to observe exactly how low moral is amoung those who will soon be leaving for Iraq<< May I suggest you ask your comrades for a blanket party? That ought to cheer them up. ;- As tempting as that is, I'll have to pass. I'm afraid my love has all my blankets... and a girl needs some rest sometimes ....;-)
 
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chemist    RE:kiss my hips...not on a bet!   8/21/2004 12:37:09 AM
Ah, don't worry about OW. He's an equal oppurtunity kinda guy. Race, gender, or creed are things that matter not to OW. He gives you both barrells all the time. He's consistent. But you mentioned something in your first post that peaked my interest: justice. Care to define? Such a nebulous term it is, justice. What exactly do you mean?.
 
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elcid    As for Americans, there's basically no additional reason to scrutinize us at all.   8/21/2004 5:45:20 AM
Really? Material crossing my desk says AQ et al specifically recruit "people of the target nationality." This seems to be supported by US citizens being arrested for going to their training schools and participating in their operations. Long ago I fought a wholly home grown enemy, the SDS - altough I admit they got Russian funding via Cuban middlemen. But 100% of the people attending SDS meetings were US citizens, and their "soldiers" were secretaries in Federal buildings, students, etc. This was, you understand, a communist, terrorist-bomber organization. [They managed to blow up bombs at three buildings - two of them Federal - before that operation was shut down - a Post Office, an NROTC facility, and the Administration Building of the University of Washington. They planned many more, but we succeeded in penetrating them so thoroughly they could not make a plan without it being blown. Recruiting US citizens has the disadvantage that some of us can allow ourselves to be recruited - and talk to the FBI.]
 
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elcid    Did Kerry really say that?   8/21/2004 5:46:53 AM
Well, it was in the news. I didn't hear him shouting any denials. It was apparently in a stump speech, and given his speaking style, no doubt I made it much more clear than he did!
 
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elcid    does he really have OBL's phone number(or any other way of contacting OBL directly)?   8/21/2004 5:49:39 AM
Of course not. It is only one of several aspects of his proposition that are utterly rediculous. OBL would not believe him if he offered to end the war on OBL terms. And IF OBL did believe it, his terms would be that we must submit to a radical Islamic regime run by - guess who? Even if we agreed to that - which I find doubtful - it would not take long to convince the most left wing among us we don't like it. It is astonishing the left thinks one can make peace with radicals of this sort. The Brits call it "wet" thinking - refering to a wet noodle refusing to stand tall - but falling over no matter how you hold it.
 
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elcid    Sounds like Curtis LeMay   8/21/2004 6:00:31 AM
When CLM took over SAC he ordered his driver to drive past a base sentry without stopping. The sentry on duty had an M-1 carbine. He fired a warning shot down the centerline of the vehicle. The driver stopped the car. CLM got out and had the sentry arrested - for NOT shooting to kill. Now this was intended to produce a form of attitude in the Air Police - and it succeeded. The whole organization had to be reformed - there are no Air Police any more - to change it. I hope your story about the Marine is not true. I was trained by Marines (I am a sailor but Marines do Navy security schools) to guard nuclear weapons. USMC doctrine has watchstanders carry UNLOADED weapons - no accidental shootings that way - though you do have magazines on your belt. And you do not normally club a person who is not a threat, even if you must restrain him. We had an officer cross the line much as you describe - and enlisted guards indeed took him down - but no beatings were necessary - and had they occurred there indeed would have been charges brought. Not that I think the black sailor was right - or not diserving of a term in prison - but unless he was threatening someone credibly with harm - it is not historic USMC doctrine to hit him - much less badly so. I myself once ran afoul of USAF Air Police - I went through the wrong door in confusion at a place I had never been - in uniform with a proper badge on my chest - and I was treated pretty badly - but no beatings and they did investigate the possibility that my US Navy uniform and USAF security badge and DOD ID might be valid. They assumed the worst - but also assumed they might be wrong - and of course I was not argumentative or uncooperative. In the end I got a formal apology - why should an alien not be given escort and/or directions?
 
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elcid    it's not unreasonable to be wary of those who seek to board them   8/21/2004 6:01:44 AM
Fine. Just be equally wary of all. Remember, OBL teaches "recruit target nation people for ops." It may be US citizens you are looking for.
 
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