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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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Azmodius    RE:americans must respect islam-Azomidius   3/16/2006 2:01:31 PM
I dont know anything about hinduism and im not claiming anything about any other religion by tearing down islam. im just trying to make a point that islam is a problem based on what IT says. there is no true religion imo but i also dont think any other religion is a threat to people who dont follow it the way islam is. "Even Christianity makes ludicrous claims" I wholeheartedly agree with you on that one. i like whol they got together 300yrs after the death of christ and had a council and voted on what books to put in the new testament, if christ was the son of god, etc "Look at American society-women still don't earn same as men-so where is this Shangri-La" I have yet to experianced this phenomena. everywhere i have worked and where i work now, employees were paid a set ammount per hour regardless of gender. i know work for AT&T and its the same here. you get paid based a set ammount per time with the company. Its seems to be a common mistake from respondents to my posts that im christian because of my anti-islam stance. no matter what any other religion says/does it doesnt change the facts about islam.
 
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swhitebull    RE:americans must respect islam-Azomidius   3/16/2006 2:02:41 PM
..Look at American society-women still don't earn same as men-so where is this Shangri-La. ... Uh yeah. For the exact same work? Same pay. Overall average? Definitely not, since women CAN make career choices and less productive working years due to taking time off for child-rearing. This is a bogus statistic rattled off by feminists to show how much worse off they are than man (and who are probably ugly enough and too radical for most men's tastes, thus have longer working careers as well - DAMN, am I unPC!!!!. Next I';; be claiming that there are fewer women engineers and mathematicians, for the very same reasons - their most productive years are spent in childrearing rather than in research ansd thinking. OOPS- been done before - ask Larry Summers of Harvard - and the fate that befell him for daring to question the femi-nazi orthodoxy) swhitebull
 
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Herc the Merc    RE:americans must respect islam-Azomidius   3/16/2006 2:48:08 PM
Islam is a religion of the desert based on Arab customs--its tuff on its adherents--no doubt about it--its out of style nowadays- I agree--but so is everything else- Secularism or whatever is in--even Born again Christians don't seem to understand what true Christian values are-they blah blah a lot-doh!!
 
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flamingknives    RE:Americans must respect Islam - Flamingknives   3/16/2006 3:15:55 PM
Crikey, it's so easy to get a rise out of some people :) I could go on by nitpicking about spelling and grammar, but I won't, as that sort of thing always ends in disastre. I am in the real world as I am on the 'net, only slightly less sarcastic. The question is, would you be as belligerent if you had to ride around in a Humvee with every hundreth person trying to blow you up? Or would you respect the wisdom that your tax-funded military subscribes to and show a little sensitivity? While every person may have an opinion, not every opinion may be right.
 
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Azmodius    RE:Americans must respect Islam - Flamingknives   3/16/2006 3:32:32 PM
"Crikey, it's so easy to get a rise out of some people :)" Just seemed you were trying to validate your view on my opinion by throwing in a comment about sitting behind a PC screen that had nothing to do with the posts i make or my reasoning. i can take a joke as well as the next guy. " could go on by nitpicking about spelling and grammar, but I won't, as that sort of thing always ends in disastre." Disastre? HA HA guess your just as guilty as the next guy. i can spell just fine when im not in a hurry, etc. "I am in the real world as I am on the 'net, only slightly less sarcastic. The question is, would you be as belligerent if you had to ride around in a Humvee with every hundreth person trying to blow you up? Or would you respect the wisdom that your tax-funded military subscribes to and show a little sensitivity?" im not sure what you mean about being belligerant. My views are regarding islam. just because its a vile religion that preaches hate doesnt mean that i automatically treat its followers any different. i would still give individuals common courtesy as long as they gave it in return even if they were muslim. If i had to ride around in a humvee and every 100th person was trying to blow me up though i think id be even more outspoken against the religion than i am now. Also, i dont agree with your view that im beligerant just because im speaking about about islam. In regards to the wisdom of my military, i would never interfere with how they carry out operations. But its not the military making the decisions on policy, its the civilian goverment. "While every person may have an opinion, not every opinion may be right." thats why they are opnions. Same rule applies to you as well, dont forget.
 
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flamingknives    RE:Americans must respect Islam - Flamingknives   3/16/2006 5:03:44 PM
Actually, the military have more freedom than you might think with regards to policy. The cultural sensitivity issue can be traced back to the USMCs 'Small Wars' manual written about the turn of the last century. By tarring all of a religious or ethnic group with the same brush you polarise the whole population, to a greater or lesser extent, against you. By exhibiting cultural sensitivity, you can persuade the moderates and the reformers to your side and these will help you against the extremists. Pitching one extremism against another can only end in annihilation for one or both sides. To throw another analogy into the pot, so to speak, have you come across the idea of boiling a frog? Not that I have, but I understand that if one puts a frog in hot water, it will immediately jump out. If, however, you put it in cold water and raises the temperature, it will remain in there until it boils to death. IMHO, this idea applies well to societies too. Sudden change is met with fierce resistance, while gradual change can sometimes succeed in changing a society utterly with scarcely a harsh word. There are good Muslims, bad Christians and indifferent Hindis. Certainly Christianity gave rise to 'witch' burnings, the Inquisition and a startling antipathy between factions of the same religion that continue to this day. The actions and reactions of the Islamic world are immensely complicated, and painting them all as bad people may be an easy solution. Unless you are planning to wipe them all out, it isn't a good one. Interestingly, Islam is currently the same age as Christianity was when it was experimenting with the Inquisition. I wonder if there is some kind of societal pressure associated with a percieved falling from grace or decline of moral values at play in each case? Finally, I spelt disaster wrong intentionally, because it's funny. :-P
 
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Azmodius    RE:Americans must respect Islam - Flamingknives   3/16/2006 5:53:09 PM
I see what your saying but the problem i have if you have read any of my posts about islam is that it isnt moderate. the religion itself says what it says. because there are a bunch of muslims in any given area who may not be following what the koran and the hadiths say, it doesnt change what islam is. i keep having to explain this over and over that Islam is the problem, not all the people. i suspect a lot of its followers arent really following it so i wouldnt consider them muslims anyway. Now i do have a problem with these muslims who arent following islamic law/religion who rush to the defense or fail to curb the actions of the muslims who are. As far as comparing christianity and islam, its apples and oranges. Show me where the new testament (defines christians) lays out rules and scripture on violence against non christians, how to treat them, deception, looting, war, peace, etc. Islam on the other hand does this. Ive said it before, just because the pope or whoever started the inquisition doesnt mean that christianity ordained it and okd it. one had nothing to do with the other. sure, the leader of the "christian" world sanctioned it but nothing in the new testament said it was ok. let me post some things that prove what i have been saying. this stuff isnt open to interpretation either. it says what it says: Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.” Bukhari:V4B52N260 “The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’” Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.” Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” Ishaq:262 “Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur’an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse.” Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.” Ishaq:245 “The Apostle used to say, ‘Their religion will never march with ours.’” Bukhari:V4B52N288 “Expel disbelievers from the Arabian Peninsula.’” Qur’an 2:191 “Slay them wherever you find and catch them, and drive them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter.” Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world). Ishaq:231 “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.”
 
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Galrahn    RE:Americans must respect Islam    3/16/2006 10:22:50 PM
Americans must respect Islam Then do something that earns respect, like rejecting violent solutions to your problems. People don't respect the US because of our military, well, most people don't. People respect Americans for our contributions in science and technology.
 
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Pseudonym    RE:Americans must respect Islam    3/17/2006 7:53:15 AM
"People don't respect the US because of our military, well, most people don't." I think you would be surprised about how many people respect the USA, though might not like us, for how we use our military. We have keeping wars contained since World War 2, never letting another massive dustup consume the world again. They might not like us, they might not even like what our military does, but they LOVE the peace our military brings to a world that hadn't seen long periods of relative peace and prosperity. We are creating a world where people can invest in the future of humanity and their economy instead of massive militaries to protect themselves. This effect has been even more noticeable since the Cold War ended.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:Americans must respect Islam   3/17/2006 9:25:10 AM
People who don't respect our military haven't seen enough c0ckpit camera footage.
 
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