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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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FJV    RE:Mr. Kaplan - Clausewitz   5/28/2004 1:00:53 PM
Trouble is that we want to have Turkey in the EU. (after some details are solved eg. Cypress) Treating reasonable Turkish requests for extradition like this not help this process. Delusional terror supporters have a bad influence on foreign policy and long term foreign policy goals.
 
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ilpars    Cyprus   5/28/2004 4:21:51 PM
Turkey and Turkish part of Cyprus agreed on UN plan on the island. Greeks did not aprove it. So, Cyprus is no more a problem between EU and Turkey. Now it is a problem between EU and Cyprus Repuclic (Greek side).
 
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FJV    RE:Cyprus   5/28/2004 5:01:39 PM
This may be true, but I would feel a lot better about Turkey joining the EU with such things solved. (a decent closure of history concerning Armenians, Cypress, doubts about Islam, doubts about role of the Turkish army in politics) It would just be so much better.
 
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ilpars    Turkey and EU   5/29/2004 4:30:22 AM
Cyprus: Cyprus problem is now between EU and Cyprus; as Turkey and Cyprus Turks approved the EU supported UN plan. For Armenian issue: Long time ago Turkeey aproved the plan of a joint international History project group to examine what has really happened in WW1 at Eastern Anatolia. For now only think that is sure is thosands of Turks and Armenians has died. So far UN, EU or another International did not initiate to found a such a project group. So, this also can not be a problem with EU and Turkey. Doubts about Islam: What is this? Turkey is a secular democracy for the last 81 years. That is longer than most of European countries. Do you still have doubts? Doubts about role of the Turkish army in politics: Turkish army role in politics has been narrowed down greatly by laws. But you can not erase their role entirely because of several reasons: 1. In the definition of Turkish Army's missions written by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, it is written that Army mission is to protect the country from external and INTERNAL threads. Internal threads include Comminism and Fundementalism. 2. Army is totaly doctrinated into defend secular democray of Turkey. Even when thay had interfered in politics that was for defending the republic. 3. Army's popularity is much higher than any Political part or political instution. I think general European view is a strong army is dangerous for democracy. Turkey is an exxception for this view. In Turkey strong army is one of the guarantees of the democracy.
 
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jacques    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/29/2004 6:01:47 AM
This thread is so rediculous. There isn't anything so respectful about islam for the american to respect. However, American must respect human rights, international laws and and wishes of its important allies (France and Germany). I have not love for those arabs and islamic lunatics in Iraq. However,when I looked at the photo of the atrocities committed by americans soldiers. It made me so sick I felt like throwing up. Two wrong doesn't make one right. Okay enough of adult supervision and words of advice for the americans. Here is an interesting link about islam. http://www.prophetofdoom.net
 
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Landser1944    RE:Turkey and EU   5/29/2004 1:35:46 PM
Ilpars thank you for your message, if the army has the role you say, turkey should defenitly not join the EU. In the EU the army has nothing to say, it is a tool of the parlament and this gives us flexability. For you it is the opposite, the parlament is a tool of the army. BTW democracy doesn't exclute fundamentalism or communism if that is what the people want, they are free to change their vievs all 3-5 years. If this changes i think turkey could be a valuable member of the EU in future.
 
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Landser1944    RE:Turkey and EU   5/29/2004 1:38:53 PM
Communism and fundamentalism would of course have to stay within the boundries of the constitution!
 
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sooner    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/29/2004 3:12:32 PM
As a member of the United States military, I must apologize for the acts of those few soldiers who commited those disgraceful acts upon the Iraqi soldiers. However, has anyone condemed the acts put forth on American POWs? What about our men and women? Mostly, it seems to go unnoticed until we are at fault for sensless acts. It is true that torture is unnecassary to administer on lower ranking soldiers. In contrast, when you have a high-ranking terrorist at hand, it is wise to use any means necessary to obtain information that will ultimately lead to saving lives---even torture. No matter what you think or what you have been told, we will eventually better the lives or Iraqi people. We will paralize Al-quaida. I have a tremendous respect for Muslims. However, violence isn't what there religion is about. Those who use violince for their cause aren't true muslims, but terrorists. By the way, the Geneva Convention only applies to uniformed soldiers, not terrorists or militia. The Abu-Graib prison is full of terrorists with a few soldiers. Terrorists do not deserve humane treatment. Tell me how humane 911 was. I am a very open minded soldier, but when it comes to terrirists, don't throw that Abu-Graib crap in my face. Sure, those soldiers who abused are a disgrace to their country. But those terrorists within those walls will get what is coming to them.
 
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sooner    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/29/2004 3:15:56 PM
For those good Muslims out there, God bless. Everyone else...YOU THREW THE FIRST PUNCH and WE WILL FINISH THE FIGHT!
 
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FJV    RE:Turkey and EU   5/29/2004 3:16:35 PM
Interesting points on Turkey. Wouldn't be suprised if Turkey would find their own unique way of removing that final barrier to joining the EU.
 
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