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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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sorkoi2003    RE: Elephant trap? 13 years?   10/8/2004 9:36:25 AM
"... maybe you find it ridiculous that i think they still matter after 13 years?" Is 13 years the magic number? Is so why? If not than how far can we go back for restitution. Would you support reparations to African-AMericans for slavery, when will Wounded Knee be avenged? The point surely is that if Kuwaitis could wait 13 years? could not have waited another 13? Was revenging the Kuwaitis so pressing?
 
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sorkoi2003    A word to the wise - Lincoln   10/8/2004 9:48:22 AM
rbrooku wrote: "Got the whitehouse burned, butchered thousands needlessly in the civil war." "Wow, you think Lincoln got thousands butchered needlessly?" Please correct me if I am wrong, but was not the principle reason war against the south was fought was belief held by Lincoln among others that the southern states had no right to leave the union. Is it not also the case that more American died in that conflict than in other conflict so far. Would have been possilbe for someone other Lincoln to allow the South to leave the Union - e.g like Mclellean might have done in 1964? I think Lincoln was along with FDR and Jefferson one of three greatest American presidents. But he was a head of state not a saint- surely there many decisions that he made which resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans- it does not make him responsible but surely culpable. People do die because political leaders make certain decisions- that in itself does not make the decision wrong or evil- but its naviee to assume that political leaders could never have blood on their hands? Like I said: I am happy to be corrected.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE: Elephant trap? 13 years?   10/8/2004 9:49:19 AM
what are you talking about...you need to go back a few more posts. i recognized how many people were buried in mass graves and their nationalites. rb was suprised that 1991 or kuwatis had any impotrance. i asked if it was wrong for me to still care 13 years later. try the cafe arabica, it's an ancient bedouin brain stimulant.
 
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sorkoi2003    RE:Grand Strategy...Tactical Nukes   10/8/2004 9:50:44 AM
"their lives will be spared when we send one tactical nuclear bunker buster to do the job of 100,000 men." Will this tactical nuclear bunker buster will make distinctin between civlian, non-combatant and combatants in Iraq?
 
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timon_phocas    RE: Iraq Never Successfully Invaded And Held?    10/8/2004 9:51:27 AM
...1. In the last 4000 years no outside nation has been successful at invading and keeping iraq. Many have tried and none have achieved a solution. we will do no better... This is historically incorrect, sir. Just off hand, I know of many dynasties that have invaded Mesopotamia and held it for at least a century. The Achaemenids, Seleucids, Parthians, Sassanians, Abbasids, Seljuks, Mongols and Ottomans all invaded and held the territory now called Iraq. ...2. The tribal and religious conflicts in Iraq go back more than 2000 years and have caused constant strife all that time even when we were not there and will not stop because we have suddenly decided to occupy that place... The same kinds of conflicts can be pointed out in the United Kingdom, Belgium and France. The idea of the homogeneous nation state is a rather late historical development. It was a creation of nineteenth century mass media. I don't believe that Iraq will be as calm and reasonable as these countries. But I use these countries as examples that such conflicts can be overcome. ...So to put it simply we could hardly have picked a worse place to institute this particular plan. The geography, politics and religious strife and fighting make iraq the least likely place on earth that any kind of democracy will take hold... History is full of improbable successes. nations are built on more that homogeneity. Sometimes necessity is the ingredient that keeps them together. What choices will the Iraqi's have? Will thay all consent to be absorbed by the Iranians? Will the Kurds want to be absorbed by Turkey? Will they all want join the Baathists in Syria? I think it's possible (no guarantee, but possible) that they'll see the wisdom in Ben Franklin's adage that "We must all hang together or we'll all hang separately."
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:Grand Strategy...Tactical Nukes   10/8/2004 9:56:29 AM
distinction? of those poor souls in the bunker, no. these are not high yeild weapons.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:Grand Strategy...Tactical Nukes   10/8/2004 9:57:56 AM
you could throw a stone and it won't make any distinctions, either.
 
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sorkoi2003    RE:Grand Strategy...Tactical Nukes   10/8/2004 10:01:44 AM
"you could throw a stone and it won't make any distinctions, either." On your planet throwing a stone is as indiscrimate as tactical nuke. Interesting.
 
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timon_phocas    RE:Hasan ibn Sabah?   10/8/2004 10:10:17 AM
...All Muslims believe that paradise is better than this world, as do christians. So all of them would be despicable... I do indeed believe that that the world to come, promised in the Bible, will be superior to this life. I also believe that this life is a precious gift, given by God, over which I am to exercide a wise stewardship. As the Bible states, "...Choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants..." Deut 30:19
 
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sorkoi2003    RE: Elephant trap and rbrooku's attidude   10/8/2004 10:11:32 AM
"i was using his reasoning" Sorry- don't you have enough of your own. " it isn't the cause of terrorism, but it's probably the cause of an additional beheading or two' How do you prove that rbrooku attidude has caused 'non-terrorist beheadings?' This is an assertation or are you accusing rbrooku of being in accomplice in 'beheadings' is this evidence for this or is it under new Ashcroft rules you are guilty because we say so... Do you really believe this list is that important that AQ or whoever are waiting with baited breath to see if rbrooku's attidude greenlights another beheading. Do you understand democracy to mean that people have the right to freedom of speech but only if they do not exercise it.
 
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