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Subject: Russia Prepares to Spread her Wings
Sikman    5/6/2003 12:41:15 AM
Seems to me that the only place where Saddam Huessein or Bin Laden for that matter could safely hide is Russia. Why would they hide either of these ghastly individuals? Because Russia never lost the cold war, they just had us believe they did. The cold war is being fought through the use of terrorists by the puppet master Russia, something we have done since the 80's. When bin Laden attacked us all he did was switch over from our side to the Russians, who accepted him with open arms, kinda like payback for their Afghanistan debacle, in which we used him to reak havoc on the invading Russian armies. Another victory for Russia is the creation of a new neutral socialist "middle Europa" consisting of France, Germany and of course mother Russia herself. It seems that Russia counted on the stupidity and blinding jealousy of France in their effort to achieve this end, obviously that was a sure bet. As well the spread of thinly veiled communism into North America can be seen in the recent "anti-war" demonstrations throughout the USA, all of which had their strings pulled by established communist organizations such as "Not in Our Name." It seems that the American left has been tainted with communist propaganda to the degree that it no longer has a coherent message. So I ask the question is the US really a dominant global super power even with the victory over Iraq, or is it about to become usurped by a Russian, Chinese, Arab, Franco German communist juggernaut that is merely lying in wait? "He who is weak must appear to be strong, however he who is strong should appear to be weak." (Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
 
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Phoenix Rising    RE:Russia Prepares to Spread her Wings   5/7/2003 4:45:03 PM
Sikman, The true Communists in Russia are still a large minority but are nonetheless a minority, and they are shrinking. Putin is an ardent Russian nationalist and is self-interested but is not irrational or stupid. The transition to democracy is certainly not going as smoothly or quickly as we'd hoped, but the implementation of market reforms is largely genuine, which in and of itself precludes the brand "Leninist." I fail to see how a rational nationalist--or even a communist--could believe that one could control Islamic fanatics for any length of time, and certainly not enough to trust them with nuclear weapons. Look what happened to us after our long involvement in Afghanistan, after all. Look at what happened in the Moscow theatre. I also fail to see how Georgia is in any way a threat to Russia. On the other hand, I can point some fairly large reasons why Russia might be a threat to Georgia. Russia is a friend of Russia. Our paths will inevitably cross at some junctions in the future, and they may well run side by side for some distance as well. This "the-USSR-never-disbanded" stuff is not only unconstructive, but it's worthy of Baghdad Bob. --Phoenix Rising
 
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Sikman    RE:Russia Prepares to Spread her Wings   5/7/2003 5:57:18 PM
LOL I hope u guys r right. But if ur not things look scary for the future.
 
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Sikman    RE:Russia Prepares to Spread her Wings   5/7/2003 6:20:37 PM
sorry I got a little worked up I guess.
 
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greytraveller    RE:Russia Prepares to Spread her Wings   5/7/2003 8:00:54 PM
Sikman you could be partially right. It is possible that diehard communists seek to discredit the Putin 'administration' by covertly (unknown to the Russian government) providing support for Iraq and/or Iran and/or Islamic terror orgs. It is also possiblt that certain Russian muslem scientists (who secretly sympathize with OBL and others) have provided technical knowledge to islamist governments or terror orgs. Either of those two possibilities is very real.
 
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American Kafir    RE:Russia Prepares to Spread her Wings   5/8/2003 8:05:17 AM
>This "the-USSR-never-disbanded" stuff is not only unconstructive, but it's worthy of Baghdad Bob.< "Trust, but verify." Gorbachev recently said "Communism is dead" - overlooking China, North Korea, Cuba, and a large part of the Democratic Party. While I do think communism has failed as a practical means to govern a people, there are still dead-enders in the world willing to give it a try. We've just got to weather the death-throes of communism (aka terrorist attacks) without becoming police states ourselves.
 
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CCCP    RE:Russia Prepares to Spread her Wings   5/13/2003 4:55:12 PM
Bit of a funny discussion. Everything in Russia sold, destroyed, or rusting. That's what left after communists.
 
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