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SYSOP    5/1/2015 6:29:19 AM
 
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Robert Walther    Robert Walther   5/1/2015 7:07:04 AM
Not really important, but Saudi Arabia alone has One $trillion$ US Dollar gross oil income in the last four years.
 
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keffler25       5/1/2015 7:33:37 AM
While Iran is not scoring big victories against its many enemies, it has had some important successes recently. In Yemen the Saudis were depending on Pakistani ground forces to make an invasion of Yemen more of a sure thing. The Pakistanis refused and instead got closer to Iran. Pakistan has been dealing with the Gulf Arabs for over half a century and has come to agree with the Iranians and Turks that the Arabs are not the most steadfast and reliable of allies. In part it’s cultural. Non-Arabs tend to agree that “Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.” Thus despite over a trillion dollars in oil income in the last half century the Arab states have not really accomplished much except create an atmosphere conducive to Islamic terrorism along with a welfare state that has to import workers and managers along with food and consumer goods. What also grates, especially to fellow Moslems, is the Arab attitude that since Arabs created Islam then Arabs must be slightly superior Moslems.
 
You know why I laugh?
 
Pakistan....
--depend on the Paks? (American experience says you can rely on them to backstab you.) 
--dealing with the Paks? (American experience says you can rely on them to backstab you.) 
--steadfast and reliable Paks? (American experience says you can rely on them to backstab you.) 
--create an atmosphere reliable and conducive to terrorism? (American experience [and Indian] says you can rely on them to backstab you with terrorists, while they proclaim to be fighting terrorism.) 
--import foreign workers and managers (Chinese in this case, not Filipinos) along with food and consumer goods? 
(American experience says you can rely on the Chinese to stooge the Paks, but even the Chinese accuse their stooges of backstabbing and laziness.)
--and the Paks consider themselves superior to other people, (because they are such clever backstabbers.)     
 
You can rely on the Paks... never.   
 
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trenchsol       5/1/2015 10:52:50 AM
I am not sure that any of this stops Pakistan from selling nukes to the either side.
 
As Keffler noted, Pakistan is so reliable ally that one needs no enemies. Gets both in the same package.
 
 
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Spiky    trenchsol   5/1/2015 5:27:23 PM
"I am not sure that any of this stops Pakistan from selling nukes to the either side." Yeah, I was thinking along the same line.
 
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Spiky    Egypt Weaknesses   5/1/2015 5:37:57 PM
Oops, wonder what they found and who the Iranians where working with (Muslim Brotherhood?)....... "Egypt is mad at Iran over lots of things, including recent revelations that Iran had established a large spy network in Egypt, which had recently suffered heavy losses (and provided Egyptian counter-intelligence with a lot of embarrassing, to Iran, details.)"
 
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Nate Dog    Are you sure Pakistan is so unreliable?   5/2/2015 4:51:13 AM
I think you're all making a dreadful mistake.

You're assuming that Pakistan would deal with a fellow Sunni Muslism country like they treat with stupid, neivette infidel western nations. I have no knowledge of Pakistan back stabbing a fellow muslim country, they're not amazing to Afghanistan, but, that place is as big a sore on the muslim world as Gaza is on Israel.
Other than that why do you think they can't be relied upon. Don't forget that Pakistan is led by some pretty religious muslim leaders, they may keep the faith very well with the Saudis, all the while, much like the Saudi's, pursuing policy's that are detrimental to American interests.

 
 
 
 
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Spiky    Nate Dog   5/2/2015 11:46:29 AM
"they may keep the faith very well with the Saudis,"....... I hope so (I'm a realist not a deluded optimist), with nuclear weapon issues there ARE NO second chances: once the technology (or weapon) is leaked, or out of the bag, to the adversaries, it is almost impossible to get it back. If Iran gets "Nuke" capability, the nuclearization of the Middle East is all but guaranteed; if you think the ME desert neighborhood is bad now, just wait till Iran gets nukes to see things get real scary, real fast.
 
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keffler25       5/2/2015 2:55:13 PM
I.S.I.
 
 
Egypt pulled the rug out from under the Paks. 





You're assuming that Pakistan would deal with a fellow Sunni Muslism country like they treat with stupid, neivette infidel western nations. I have no knowledge of Pakistan back stabbing a fellow muslim country, they're not amazing to Afghanistan, but, that place is as big a sore on the muslim world as Gaza is on Israel.

Other than that why do you think they can't be relied upon. Don't forget that Pakistan is led by some pretty religious muslim leaders, they may keep the faith very well with the Saudis, all the while, much like the Saudi's, pursuing policy's that are detrimental to American interests.





 

 

 


 
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HR    Spiky   5/2/2015 3:25:31 PM
Can you please add some color to the comments about espionage. Iranian's penetrations into Egypt. Maybe links?
 
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trenchsol       5/2/2015 4:46:59 PM
I assume that Nate Dog is joking. Pakistan committed countless war crimes against fellow Muslims in Bangladesh during 70's, when it was called 'East Pakistan'. 
 
 
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