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Subject: Iran nuclear talk travesty thread
YelliChink    10/21/2009 1:40:53 PM
This thread is dedicated for documenting the failing attempt to talk Iran out of nuclear weapons business. Today's news: Oct 21, 2009 news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8318258.stm Iran nuclear fuel deal 'agreed' [quote] The International Atomic Energy Agency, which proposed the plan after talks in Vienna, wants an answer by Friday. Details are yet to be confirmed, but the plan is believed to involve Iran exporting uranium to be enriched in France and Russia. Russian nuclear industry insiders told the BBC the process proposed would involve Iran sending its uranium to the IAEA, which would forward it to Russia for enriching. The enriched uranium would then be returned to the IAEA and sent to France, which has the technology to add the "cell elements" needed for Iran's reactor, they said. This process would enable Iran to obtain enough enriched uranium for its research reactor, but not enough to produce a weapon. Exporting uranium has been seen as a way for Iran to get the fuel it needs, while giving guarantees to the West that it will not be used for nuclear weapons. Iranian chief negotiator Ali Asghar Soltaniyeh talked positively about a deal, but did not mention uranium export. [unquote] Allow me to briefly explain what's going on here. Iranians don't have the capacity, time and money to build good and enough centrifuges to produce weapons grade Uranium. So, like North Koreans, they are trying to produce enough Plutonium from their research reactor, which, unfortunately, was built with help of the US back in 1960s. The IAEA's proposal is aimed at easing tension by eliminating the possibility of plutonium bomb. Fuel rods processed by French will not be able to produce enough plutonium at time, which leaves Iranians the only option to build uranium bomb. That'll take them more time to accumulate weapon-grade uranium with higher concentration. Of course Iran will not accept this, but out right rejection will lead to sanction. They can play the book of obstruction on detail or some other irrelevant terms until time has come.
 
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YelliChink       10/27/2009 11:10:43 PM


You need to chill out before you change from your yellow colour to a bright face of red...
 
1) I never lived under Bush

2) I never made any comment on the justification for the US use of the bomb - you are quite correct that it can be justified on the potential lives it "saved".

3) what makes you link my comments to the Holocaust, this is highly insulting to those who perished, and to myself - you do not even know my hereditry, let alone my views of Israel.

4) do not accuse me of supporting supporting Sharia law - again, you do not even know my hereditry

5) I don't live in the US

6) if you don't want to hear alternative views, then don't dedicate a thread to the discussion on a open forum.

6) shut my mouth yourself, or you shove it you uninformed wannabe.

 

Oh now you're defensive. Where is your proud moonbatish talk? Come get more of those and I will debunk each and everyone of them right in your face. I know your hereditary, and that's called schmuck. You deserve every single insult that I have used so far, and you deserve even more than that. You deny the justification of the US to stop Iranian thugocracy to acquire nuclear weapons, then you are collaborator to Holocaust II. You have no moral whatsoever to criticize the US on the issue for being helper to the evil, and you are so mentally ill that you can't see the real insult to Holocaust victim is to allow the same atrocity to happen again.
 
What alternative view? The kind of speech by Ahmadinejad in UN? Oh that's the kind of "opposing view" that you are promoting. I get it. You are pro-genocidal, anti-American, anti-Israel,  anti-West, anti-freedom type of guy after all! You are the kind of guy who will tell the public to take Nazi view of ethnocentric politics and Japanese view on East Asian co-prosper sphere. I don't need you to feed the kind of bull crap. Save it for yourself and shove it through your anus.
 
So you don't live in the US. Let me guess, you don't happen to live in Tehran, do you? I've heard that Ahmadenejad has Jewish hereditary, and so is Adolf Hitler. Apparently, being whatever hereditary doesn't stop you from being a pro genocidal, anti-American, anti-West, anti-freedom and anti-Israel propagandist of Islamofascist.
 
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albywan       10/27/2009 11:22:20 PM






You need to chill out before you change from your yellow colour to a bright face of red...

 


1) I never lived under Bush



2) I never made any comment on the justification for the US use of the bomb - you are quite correct that it can be justified on the potential lives it "saved".



3) what makes you link my comments to the Holocaust, this is highly insulting to those who perished, and to myself - you do not even know my hereditry, let alone my views of Israel.



4) do not accuse me of supporting supporting Sharia law - again, you do not even know my hereditry



5) I don't live in the US



6) if you don't want to hear alternative views, then don't dedicate a thread to the discussion on a open forum.



6) shut my mouth yourself, or you shove it you uninformed wannabe.



 




Oh now you're defensive. Where is your proud moonbatish talk? Come get more of those and I will debunk each and everyone of them right in your face. I know your hereditary, and that's called schmuck. You deserve every single insult that I have used so far, and you deserve even more than that. You deny the justification of the US to stop Iranian thugocracy to acquire nuclear weapons, then you are collaborator to Holocaust II. You have no moral whatsoever to criticize the US on the issue for being helper to the evil, and you are so mentally ill that you can't see the real insult to Holocaust victim is to allow the same atrocity to happen again.


 

What alternative view? The kind of speech by Ahmadinejad in UN? Oh that's the kind of "opposing view" that you are promoting. I get it. You are pro-genocidal, anti-American, anti-Israel,  anti-West, anti-freedom type of guy after all! You are the kind of guy who will tell the public to take Nazi view of ethnocentric politics and Japanese view on East Asian co-prosper sphere. I don't need you to feed the kind of bull crap. Save it for yourself and shove it through your anus.


 

So you don't live in the US. Let me guess, you don't happen to live in Tehran, do you? I've heard that Ahmadenejad has Jewish hereditary, and so is Adolf Hitler. Apparently, being whatever hereditary doesn't stop you from being a pro genocidal, anti-American, anti-West, anti-freedom and anti-Israel propagandist of Islamofascist.



as i said before, you need to chill... you have no idea where i am coming from. I am not anti american, anti israeli, anti west, or anti freedom. What i am is anti nuke. so there you go, you can guess from that what nationality i might be, but for sure i am not Iranian. (or maybe you can't because your blinkers restrict your ability to see...)
 
the alternative, if you care to go back and read is nuclear disarmament.
 
so, grow up young one. Learn that alternate views don't need to be arguements, and quit throwing around accusations that have no merit or any sound backing of logic.
 
and please, petty comments like telling me to shove  something into an orifice... well they really make you sound intelligent and open to a discussion... or are these your own personal perversions?
 
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YelliChink       10/27/2009 11:41:55 PM

as i said before, you need to chill... you have no idea where i am coming from. I am not anti american, anti israeli, anti west, or anti freedom. What i am is anti nuke. so there you go, you can guess from that what nationality i might be, but for sure i am not Iranian. (or maybe you can't because your blinkers restrict your ability to see...)

 

the alternative, if you care to go back and read is nuclear disarmament.

 

so, grow up young one. Learn that alternate views don't need to be arguements, and quit throwing around accusations that have no merit or any sound backing of logic.

 

and please, petty comments like telling me to shove  something into an orifice... well they really make you sound intelligent and open to a discussion... or are these your own personal perversions?

 
Yeah, right. Hiding behind the internet and be ambiguous. That's a real sign of willingness for an intelligent discussion. 
 
All anti-nuke people are idiots. Tell me that how the US, UK, France and India should disband all their nuclear weapons after you convince Kim the Fat and Ugly, Pakistanis and the Chinese to do it first.
 
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albywan       10/27/2009 11:46:09 PM
I give up Yellichink, there is no point dealing with you... You are looking for a fight when there isn't one, you throw insults around like a peadophile dishes out candy - but cannot reason, nor show any signs of comprehension or understanding.
 
don't waste your time responding, i really don't care.
 
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YelliChink       10/28/2009 12:11:19 AM

I give up Yellichink, there is no point dealing with you... You are looking for a fight when there isn't one, you throw insults around like a peadophile dishes out candy - but cannot reason, nor show any signs of comprehension or understanding.

 

don't waste your time responding, i really don't care.


At least you show basic intelligence for leaving a losing fight.
 
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albywan       10/28/2009 12:31:48 AM




I give up Yellichink, there is no point dealing with you... You are looking for a fight when there isn't one, you throw insults around like a peadophile dishes out candy - but cannot reason, nor show any signs of comprehension or understanding.



 



don't waste your time responding, i really don't care.






At least you show basic intelligence for leaving a losing fight.

I give up Yellichink, there is no point dealing with you... You are looking for a fight when there isn't one, you throw insults around like a peadophile dishes out candy - but cannot reason, nor show any signs of comprehension or understanding.
 
don't waste your time responding, i really don't care.
 

 
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YelliChink       10/28/2009 12:22:42 PM
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8330105.stm
 
[quote]
 
Iran nuclear sanctions 'unlikely'
Further sanctions against Iran over its nuclear plans are unlikely, a senior Russian official has said.
 
President Dmitry Medvedev's adviser Sergei Prikhodko said sanctions on Iran "are unlikely in the near future", Russian news agencies reported. 
 
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Air defence missiles

Meanwhile, Russia's deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said S-300 air defence missiles - Russia's most advanced anti-aircraft weapon - had not yet been supplied to Iran.

Iran indicated in 2007 that it would buy the S-300.

Asked by reporters in the Russian town of Fryazino when Russia would deliver the missiles to Iran, Mr Ivanov said on Wednesday: "There have been no such deliveries to date."

The S-300 missiles would be defensive, according to Russia. Israel - Iran's arch-foe - fears they will be used to defend nuclear facilities.

Washington wants all countries to stop exporting weapons to Iran, but Russia and China have opposed such a move.

[unquote]
 
 
 
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YelliChink       10/28/2009 8:39:51 PM
www.ft.com/cms/s/0/47f05e0e-c362-11de-8eca-00144feab49a.html
 
[quote]

Iran told no changes to nuclear deal

By James Blitz in London and Najmeh Bozorgmehr in Tehran

Published: October 28 2009 02:00 | Last updated: October 28 2009 02:00

The European Union's foreign policy chief has warned Iran that there can be no fundamental changes to the draft agreement on its nuclear programme that it is being invited to sign.
 
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Iran's senior politicians have warned that the agreement could be a trap by which Russia and France would not give any objective guarantees to deliver uranium at higher grade.

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[unquote]
 
I love the smell of rejection in the morning.
 
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YelliChink       10/28/2009 8:47:50 PM
www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=azco7oK2Dd.g
 
[quote]
Oct. 29 (Bloomberg) -- A U.S. effort to pressure Iran into nuclear concessions by curbing gasoline imports may have little impact because the United Arab Emirates and other countries are willing to keep shipping fuel to the Islamic Republic. 
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Yet another reason of why sanction won't work, and the thugocracy in Tehran won't give a damn to the unilateral US sanction.
 
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YelliChink       10/29/2009 12:09:29 PM
www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/10/29/iran.nuclear.ahmadinejad/index.html
 
Iran responds to nuclear proposal
 
[quote]

Ahmadinejad, speaking to crowds in the northeastern city of Mashhad, said the West has gone from "confrontation to cooperation," according to state-run Press TV, and praised the IAEA as "playing a genuine role."

"One, they told us to stop (nuclear work,)" he said. "Now they express readiness to cooperate with us in exchange of fuel, expansion of the technology and construction of power plants and atomic reactors."

He said his nation is ready to talk with the United States and its allies in developing Iran...'s nuclear program, and he described a current draft proposal as a "victory" for Iran.
 
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Ahmadinejad also said that Iran expected countries who are parties to the talks to "fulfill their previous obligations."

"We have nuclear contracts. It has been 30 years. We have paid for them .. such agreements must be fulfilled ... for technical activities, for reactors and power plants. If we intend to cooperate, such contracts must be addressed and the previous commitments must be fulfilled."

[unquote]
 
Despite media white wash, there is no deal. IAEA proposal is for Iran to send all their low grade uranium, not some percentage at a time that Iranians want. If the US reject Iranian proposal to change in the draft, then it's the US's fault to stymie the talk. If the US agrees with Iranian proposal, then they win. The only reasonable response to this is a counter proposal to the Iranian one. That's not gonna be easy. Any counter proposal will require approval from Russia in order to take effect. Time is only to be wasted in useless talk. Iran will get the bomb.
 
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