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Subject: Why is Israel so scared off attacking Iran without the U.S?
SCUD    2/19/2009 5:49:26 PM
Why is that small state bothering Palestine and other much less armed groups like hamas but is pleading the US to attack Iran? This would only spread into a much larger conflict if the US get involved. Plus, Bush said he preferred diplomacy than military conflict. Obama, of course, is less likely to attack Iran than Bush for the state of israel. Israel spends much of our media influence to scare Americans into believeing in a terror threat from islamic States to keep them in war mode. But no one percieves Iran as a threat BUT Israel. Israel must understand that America has nothing to gain from attacking Iran for Israel. Nothing but high casualties, oil prices and an even worse reputation. Israel should sit down and talk with palestine and these nations and direct it's military at other militaries instead of apartment complexes, schools and hospitals. Who could possibly war for a nation like that that first off isn't even a territorial responsibility? Especially, with the amount of debt.
 
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FJV    Because Israel is small   2/20/2009 2:02:09 PM
Being an American might make this hard to understand, but since I'm Dutch and from a small state myself.......
 
Let's just say that mistakes the US can make and easily shrug off would be fatal for Israel, which makes the stakes much higher. Even when a mistake isn't made Israel will have a much harder dealing with the situation that results after they strike Iran.
 
To sum it up:  there are a lot of options the US has that just aren't available to small states.
 
 
 
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SCUD       2/20/2009 3:22:20 PM
Your response sounds ridiculous. If one was to use your way of thinking there would be no understanding of how little old Nazi-Germany took down Russia with minimal concerns or how Japan took down the Great Dragon China. These nations took down what they percieved as threats without bugfing others to do it for them. They were troublemakers that were honored on their ability taking down the big boys, sorta like a pitbull would seize a germanshepherd, despite being the underdog. Israel to the contrary only targets underequipped militias like Hamas and STILL come out the loser while promoting violence as an escuse to cause others to go to war against formidable nations for Israel's benefit. This does not work in America's political or economical favor to do Israel's work for them especially when there should be no military conflict to begin with. 
 
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swhitebull       2/21/2009 7:09:05 PM

Your response sounds ridiculous. If one was to use your way of thinking there would be no understanding of how little old Nazi-Germany took down Russia with minimal concerns or how Japan took down the Great Dragon China. These nations took down what they percieved as threats without bugfing others to do it for them. They were troublemakers that were honored on their ability taking down the big boys, sorta like a pitbull would seize a germanshepherd, despite being the underdog. Israel to the contrary only targets underequipped militias like Hamas and STILL come out the loser while promoting violence as an escuse to cause others to go to war against formidable nations for Israel's benefit. This does not work in America's political or economical favor to do Israel's work for them especially when there should be no military conflict to begin with. 


Sounds like a bit of Iranian Revolutionary Guard wishful masturbatory thinking of how they'd LIKE things to have turned out. the IRANIAN-trained HAMAS was humiliated militarily, with its leaders huddling like rats in their holes for fear of being taken out, HAMAS didnt have a single successful encounter with the IDF,  they used women and children as shields - as in, hiding behind skirts like cowards, since they couldnt face the IDF face to face like REAL men, and Iran lost face, the REAL loser.
 
 
swhitebull - now, if you care to debate REAL issues, rather than Muslim fantasies, feel free. We've had Iranian shills on this website before - we call them red meat and cannon fodder here.
 
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swhitebull       2/21/2009 7:13:12 PM

Why is that small state bothering Palestine and other much less armed groups like hamas but is pleading the US to attack Iran? This would only spread into a much larger conflict if the US get involved. Plus, Bush said he preferred diplomacy than military conflict. Obama, of course, is less likely to attack Iran than Bush for the state of israel. Israel spends much of our media influence to scare Americans into believeing in a terror threat from islamic States to keep them in war mode. But no one percieves Iran as a threat BUT Israel. Israel must understand that America has nothing to gain from attacking Iran for Israel. Nothing but high casualties, oil prices and an even worse reputation.
Israel should sit down and talk with palestine and these nations and direct it's military at other militaries instead of apartment complexes, schools and hospitals. Who could possibly war for a nation like that that first off isn't even a territorial responsibility? Especially, with the amount of debt.


Would that be the apartment complexes, schools and hospitals that HAMAS was illegally using according to the Geneva Protocols as points of assembly, weapons depots, fighting points etc as has been finally and conclusively documented by western media sources? Sounds like HAMAS was fighting to the last Palestinian civilian, as usual, hiding among civilians like cowards since they cant  face the IDF face to face like REAL soldiers. They got what they deserved -  DEATH - with the bulk of the casualties HAMAS-related, contrary to PALI propaganda.
 
swhitebull - have a nice day.
 
 
swhitebull
 
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SCUD       2/21/2009 7:35:26 PM

 




Sounds like a bit of Iranian Revolutionary Guard wishful masturbatory thinking of how they'd LIKE things to have turned out. the IRANIAN-trained HAMAS was humiliated militarily,
 
 

First off, Israel I've seen the war videos of Israel vs. Hamas. Israelis were dying left and right prompting them to bombed civilians as the only way of equalling the number of their soldier losses the IDF faced. The Israelis were too scared to send ground forces against Hamas in greater numbers losing what bit of tanks they already did. Hamas suffered minimal losses as Israel never knew who they killed in those schools while hamas was taking regular IDF soldeirs off tanks with shots.
  Israel already has been humiliated. They don't want any of Iran. You porkins would be done for sure.

 
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swhitebull       2/21/2009 11:46:48 PM




 









Sounds like a bit of Iranian Revolutionary Guard wishful masturbatory thinking of how they'd LIKE things to have turned out. the IRANIAN-trained HAMAS was humiliated militarily,


 

 




First off, Israel I've seen the war videos of Israel vs. Hamas. Israelis were dying left and right prompting them to bombed civilians as the only way of equalling the number of their soldier losses the IDF faced. The Israelis were too scared to send ground forces against Hamas in greater numbers losing what bit of tanks they already did. Hamas suffered minimal losses as Israel never knew who they killed in those schools while hamas was taking regular IDF soldeirs off tanks with shots.


  Israel already has been humiliated. They don't want any of Iran. You porkins would be done for sure.





Yep -  dying in droves-  that is what ALWAYS happens when the IDF goes up against those wonderfully brave, invicibile Arab armed forces. Ask the Egyptians and Syrians who won in 67, and you will get the MOnty Python Black Knight response,  just like you just gave. Totally delusional, and if you REALLY REALLY believe the Hamas propaganda tapes, Ive got some rancid goat balls to serve you.
 
swhitebull -  another Hamas apologist heard from, and an Iranian RG shill to boot, and not long for these boards. What is it that makes these cockroaches emerge from the darkness?  Im not going to post any more evidence here, as it's been posted many times on the Gaza cakewalk. This fatullah still cant explain why Hamas was screaming for a ceasefire if they were doing so devastatingly well, and he cant explain away the HUGE Hamas losses in personnel, ESPECIALLY that one unit of 100 Iranian-trained Hamas elite "troops", a euphemism for thugs with guns, that simply ceased to exist when it confronted the IDF. TOO EMBARRASSING, isnt it, SCUDDLY?
 
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AdvanceAustralia       2/22/2009 4:30:51 AM
"But no one percieves Iran as a threat BUT Israel."
 
Rubbish. The member countries of the GCC all view Iran as threat. The UAE (where I live) is having an anti-missile system installed over the next few years. This isn't because they think Qatar is going to get nasty and start lobbing missiles our way and they don't seriously expect Israel to either. It is Iran that is often testing long range missiles in this region. Iran illegally occupies 3 UAE islands in the Arabian Gulf and refuses to discuss their return. Just this past weekend an Iranian minister reminded the Bahrainis they were once part of Iran. I for one am very pleased that the US 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain and sits between us and Iran.
 
Iran is a wider problem than you make out.
 
Cheers.
 
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swhitebull       2/22/2009 6:38:24 PM

"But no one percieves Iran as a threat BUT Israel."

 

Rubbish. The member countries of the GCC all view Iran as threat. The UAE (where I live) is having an anti-missile system installed over the next few years. This isn't because they think Qatar is going to get nasty and start lobbing missiles our way and they don't seriously expect Israel to either. It is Iran that is often testing long range missiles in this region. Iran illegally occupies 3 UAE islands in the Arabian Gulf and refuses to discuss their return. Just this past weekend an Iranian minister reminded the Bahrainis they were once part of Iran. I for one am very pleased that the US 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain and sits between us and Iran.

 

Iran is a wider problem than you make out.

 

Cheer
Did you expect anything less from an IRG shill?   Disinformataion to divert attention and to weaken resolve is trademark of this. Remember what area of the world chess developed from, and where checkers came from, .
 
 
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AdvanceAustralia       2/23/2009 10:59:55 AM




"But no one percieves Iran as a threat BUT Israel."



 



Rubbish. The member countries of the GCC all view Iran as threat. The UAE (where I live) is having an anti-missile system installed over the next few years. This isn't because they think Qatar is going to get nasty and start lobbing missiles our way and they don't seriously expect Israel to either. It is Iran that is often testing long range missiles in this region. Iran illegally occupies 3 UAE islands in the Arabian Gulf and refuses to discuss their return. Just this past weekend an Iranian minister reminded the Bahrainis they were once part of Iran. I for one am very pleased that the US 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain and sits between us and Iran.



 



Iran is a wider problem than you make out.



 



Cheer



Did you expect anything less from an IRG shill?   Disinformataion to divert attention and to weaken resolve is trademark of this. Remember what area of the world chess developed from, and where checkers came from, .

 

 

swhitebull

I don't recall encountering this loser before so I didn't really have an expectation. I wonder if he and Herc Necrophiliac Necromancer belong to some international stooge network.
 
 Cheers.
 
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brit cadet       4/28/2009 3:40:17 PM
hey respect iran omid djalli is iranian
 
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