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Subject: Why the Western Allies didn't declare war on the Soviets over Poland?
kalaloch    10/10/2005 12:10:56 PM
I've long wondered about something, and perhaps those of you far brighter than myself can answer this. When Nazi Germany invaded Poland in September of 1939, only a few days passed before Britain and France declared war against them. However, when the Soviet Union invaded eastern Poland just a few weeks later, there was no mention whatsoever about a declaration of war against the Soviets. Why? The Soviets were everybit as guilty as Germany in their offensive, hostile act against Poland; even participating in the partioning of the country prior to the end of actual combat hostilities. Germany and France had treaties with Poland--hence the declaration of war against Germany when it invaded--so why did that not apply to the Soviets? This seems to me the first great example of sheer cowardice and self-service demonstrated by the Western Allies during World War II. It was readily apparent to both Britain and France that Germany and the Soviets were in collusion over the partioning and occupation of Poland; yet the start of World War II is associated primarily with the declaration by Britain and France against Germany. I'd really like to have some insight on this issue, as it's nagged at me like something caught in my teeth for several decades. Thanks, in advance
 
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myhandlewontfi    are you sure about that?   3/3/2011 12:24:22 AM















Ibelieve that war wasn`t declared by England and France  on Russia is smple. Germany was the enemy that Versaille made them also F.D.R. told them not to declare with Russia. Idon`t believe for a minute that F.D.R. hadn`t conspired with the English to start  the war.






















Was Hitler then just an innocent victim of the plottings of Churchill and Roosevelt?





























No. Motorola is just being very, very, stupid. America was looking for a war with Britain before WWII.






What makes you think that America was cooperating with Britain in trying to go to war before WWII? The American public were dead set against any involvement in any war in Europe.


The US army had roughly 200,000 men half of whom were national guard in 1939. There were 6 infantry divisions, no armor divisions, and one cavalry division.

 

In 1945, there were 68 infantry, 16 armor and 5 airborn divisions in the army.

 

With the civilian population hostile to getting pulled into war, how was Roosevelt supposed to project power into Europe with a cavalry division and 6 infantry divisions total?

 



 



only 68 infantry divisions against both the japanese and hitler. Hitler invaded Russia with like 200 infantry divisions are you sure you dont mean corps or armies, or is there something i have completely misunderstood. the six infantry divisions b4 the war i can believe. I think at the beginning of ww2 the japanese had about 100 infantry divisions 3/4 of which wwhere fighting the chinese ( I read that somewhere )
Regards
 
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CJH       3/6/2011 12:35:04 PM

"It is key to realize that Stalin did everything in his power to make possible war between German and the Entente. Stalin clearly intended that the USSR would win the war between Germany and the alliance of Britain and France."




Stalin just knew about Hitler's idea of the expansion of the Third Reich to the east (Generalplan Ost). He tried to make allies with Britain and France long before they made the Munich Pact with Hitler. But they prefered to make that pact just because "the red plague" - communism seemed to be "the evilest evil" on earth at that time for them and they hoped that Hitler will destroy it. Kind of tried to turn him to the east and Stalin tried to turn him to the west so the USSR got extra couple of years to get ready for war which was inevitable cause Hitler needed new lands and resourses for his empire at the east. And finally Hitler turned first to the west and then to the east...




ps. sorry for 2 previous failed comments - i just got some problems quoting 
Of course, the immediate motivation for declaring war on Germany came as a result of Hitler's conquest of Poland.
But, as I have read, Britain and France did not join with the USSR in standing up to Hitler on Czechoslovakia. I believe they learned that was a bad decision by 1941.

 
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CJH       3/6/2011 1:46:05 PM































Ibelieve that war wasn`t declared by England and France  on Russia is smple. Germany was the enemy that Versaille made them also F.D.R. told them not to declare with Russia. Idon`t believe for a minute that F.D.R. hadn`t conspired with the English to start  the war.














































Was Hitler then just an innocent victim of the plottings of Churchill and Roosevelt?





























































No. Motorola is just being very, very, stupid. America was looking for a war with Britain before WWII.














What makes you think that America was cooperating with Britain in trying to go to war before WWII? The American public were dead set against any involvement in any war in Europe.






The US army had roughly 200,000 men half of whom were national guard in 1939. There were 6 infantry divisions, no armor divisions, and one cavalry division.



 



In 1945, there were 68 infantry, 16 armor and 5 airborn divisions in the army.



 



With the civilian population hostile to getting pulled into war, how was Roosevelt supposed to project power into Europe with a cavalry division and 6 infantry divisions total?



 







 








only 68 infantry divisions against both the japanese and hitler. Hitler invaded Russia with like 200 infantry divisions are you sure you dont mean corps or armies, or is there something i have completely misunderstood. the six infantry divisions b4 the war i can believe. I think at the beginning of ww2 the japanese had about 100 infantry divisions 3/4 of which wwhere fighting the chinese ( I read that somewhere )


Regards


Yes. It appears I misinterpreted the table that I was using.
 
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CJH       3/6/2011 2:11:38 PM
 
Which was -
 
U.S. ARMY FORCE STRUCTURE 1939...
 
I will add this -
 
The War in Europe ...
 
 
"The people of the United States, having rejected the Versailles Treaty and the Covenant of the League of Nations after World War I, remained largely indifferent to most international concerns. They firmly discounted the likelihood of American involvement in another major war, except perhaps with Japan. Isolationist strength in Congress led to the passage of the Neutrality Act of 1937, making it unlawful for the United States to trade with belligerents. American policy aimed at continental defense and designated the Navy as the first line of such defense. The Army's role was to serve as the nucleus of a mass mobilization that would defeat any invaders who managed to fight their way past the Navy and the nation's powerful coastal defense installations. The National Defense Act of 1920 allowed an Army of 280,000, the largest in peacetime history, but until 1939 Congress never appropriated funds to pay for much more than half of that strength. Most of the funds available for new equipment went to the fledgling air corps. Throughout most of the interwar period, the Army was tiny and insular, filled with hard-bitten, long-serving volunteers scattered in small garrisons throughout the continental United States, Hawaii, the Philippines, and Panama."
 
 
 
 
"US Army in World War II
Manpower and Segregation

by Rich Anderson

Manpower, Replacements, and the Segregated Army

In late 1944 a severe problem in the U.S. Army in general was the manpower shortage. Plans to expand the Army to 213 divisions were never met and it was proving difficult to maintain the 89 divisions then in existence - even though almost one-quarter of them had yet to see combat. Furthermore, the prewar planning for replacements was found to be totally inadequate. The causes were manifold: U.S. industrial and agricultural demands could only be partially met by bringing women into the workforce; the Army was fighting a two-front war; fear of the blitzkrieg had resulted in an over-expansion of the antiaircraft and tank destroyer arms; the requirements of the massive expansion of the U.S. Armed Forces in general had reduced the manpower pool; and, perhaps worst of all, segregation meant that a large percentage o the available manpower, African-Americans, were restricted to service support organization and a few separate combat units." 
 
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