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Subject: Blackwater Agency expelled from Irak
Bluewings12    9/18/2007 2:39:15 PM
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Herald1234    See US thread same subject, poseur2   9/18/2007 2:48:54 PM
NED.
 
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GOP       9/18/2007 4:35:50 PM
Who/What is Posuer2?
 
 
 
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DarthAmerica       9/18/2007 4:48:55 PM

Who/What is Posuer2?

Its a colloquialism with a French twist for Bluewings. FS is Posuer1.

"poser - a person who habitually pretends to be something he is not"
 
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Bluewings12       9/18/2007 5:13:47 PM
GOP :
""Who/What is Poseurr2?""
Herald is calling me 'poseur2' .
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I do not really like the overall tone of the "Blackwater" thread in the US folder . Too much BS about so-called Mercs .
In fact is it far more easy than that but not a lot here can grasp the concept . Blackwater 's personals are not Mercs and they are not Bodyguards either . Where that leave them ? Well , right in between and that might means something to you if really think long enough about it . 39.06.31.13.N.76.46.20.18.W

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mough       9/18/2007 5:19:13 PM
Guess what happened in Iraq today......BW were out on their rounds, dispite my dislike for BW and EP, they are not going to leave Iraq because the Iraqi gov told them too....anyone who thinks otherwise is naieve
 
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Bluewings12       9/18/2007 5:42:58 PM
At least a decent comment , thanks mough . Anyone wants to discuss the matter some more ?

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Bluewings12       9/18/2007 5:46:35 PM
""At least a decent comment""
----> should resd : "" at last a decent comment . (sorry)

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GOP       9/18/2007 11:39:45 PM

Guess what happened in Iraq today......BW were out on their rounds, dispite my dislike for BW and EP, they are not going to leave Iraq because the Iraqi gov told them too....anyone who thinks otherwise is naieve

It's just political grandstanding. The Iraqi government wants to try to assert some authority and show independence, but they ain't winning this one. And they shouldn't want to. Blackwater is still a highly professional bunch, or should say a higher than average soldier professional bunch.
 
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tissapherenes       9/19/2007 1:33:16 AM
A puppet state has no say in such matters, obviously.
 
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paul1970       9/19/2007 5:55:07 AM
I thought they were currently confined to greenzone????
 
surely the Iraqi government do have the final say over who they allow to operate in their own country?  :-)
 
but there will be a compromise where they will be allowed to carry on with their duties after a week or so.....
 
alternatively.. just replace Blackwater with a different PMC doing the same job...
 
 
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gf0012-aust       9/19/2007 6:06:14 AM

A puppet state has no say in such matters, obviously.


they may well be expecting them to wind down contracts for handovers.
 
why would you think that they don't have a say when they've got SOFAs in place and have evicted people in the past??
 
as a PMC they are subject to common law - and that means that the iraqis are well within their legal right to arrest anyone who they think is in breech of national laws and declarations.
 
The fact that BW still have people in Iraq seems to indicate that there was a loss in media story translation rather than BW acting like a  21st Cent version of the East India Company.
 
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schwifty       9/19/2007 10:09:55 AM



A puppet state has no say in such matters, obviously.



they may well be expecting them to wind down contracts for handovers.

 

why would you think that they don't have a say when they've got SOFAs in place and have evicted people in the past??

 

as a PMC they are subject to common law - and that means that the iraqis are well within their legal right to arrest anyone who they think is in breech of national laws and declarations.

 

The fact that BW still have people in Iraq seems to indicate that there was a loss in media story translation rather than BW acting like a  21st Cent version of the East India Company.



They are less than a puppet; to be a puppet you have to at least be exercising
some coherent power, even if it is only as a proxy for your puppet master. As for contractors being subject to any law, it would appear that CPA order 17 has not expired in practice.
 
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ArtyEngineer       9/19/2007 8:33:31 PM



Guess what happened in Iraq today......BW were out on their rounds, dispite my dislike for BW and EP, they are not going to leave Iraq because the Iraqi gov told them too....anyone who thinks otherwise is naieve


It's just political grandstanding. The Iraqi government wants to try to assert some authority and show independence, but they ain't winning this one. And they shouldn't want to. Blackwater is still a highly professional bunch, or should say a higher than average soldier professional bunch.


I asked around today who all had experiences with Blackwater whilst over "There".  Wasnt a single positive response regarding their "Professionalism" or ability to abide by any sort of ROE.  I was given numerous instances of where QRFs had to go out and get them out of the Sh!t (Not just BW).  They were very poor at coordinating their movements, wouldnt listten to intel regarding routes NOT to take and had the ability to undo in one fell swoop alot of hard earned trust built up with the local populace. Apparently they were removed from Anbar Provence quite some time ago.  Regarding the highlighted statement.  I believe that to have been true several years ago when they were VERY selective on who they hired on sadly I dont think thats the case these days.
 
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mough       9/19/2007 9:50:06 PM



Guess what happened in Iraq today......BW were out on their rounds, dispite my dislike for BW and EP, they are not going to leave Iraq because the Iraqi gov told them too....anyone who thinks otherwise is naieve


It's just political grandstanding. The Iraqi government wants to try to assert some authority and show independence, but they ain't winning this one. And they shouldn't want to. Blackwater is still a highly professional bunch, or should say a higher than average soldier professional bunch.


Kid don't buy into BW's sales pitch that every guy is an ex- SEAL, or SF or SAS or whatever, those guys are in a minority in BW now, they take anyone, hell BW will charge you a shit load of money to take some of their courses then hire you, no previous experience in anything even medium speed slightly draggy needed...plus BW have something of a dubious history, they like to gun and run at times
 
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mough       9/19/2007 9:56:21 PM
you can't have a PMC company of all HSLD guys when as EP himself has said, you want to be the biggest such organisation in the World, there are not that many guys from top quality units to go around, sure BW will roll out the SEAL's or D-boys when they have a big high profile gig, escorting an ambassedor or whatever, but for day to day gigs, it could be some poor schmuck from Albania or filipinos earning 50 bucks a day to get shot at and when they get hurt it's the whole "thanks dfor coming, we'll see you around sometime" routine, there are a few more discreet and selective companies who are much smaller but of higher quality a couple in the US, and some scattered around Europe
 
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