Freedom or Death, was first said in the turkish occupation that ended in 1821.  The Greeks moto was Åëåõèåñßá Þ èÜíáôïò (e-lef-te-re-e- e tha- na- tos) which in English means Freedom or Death.

got too much pride there Greek friend

 

a lot of people fought bravely fr their country in the history...thats not good for measuring what would happen in war...that depends generally

Anyway armies which have attacked Greece were weak...Italians proved themselves as badly in WW2 and the other Balkan forces which have joined them.....as I know when the Germans got in they've finished the job in 21 days or so

Howewer the resistance could have lasted longer but thats not the case in this one

Listen Kane I'm proud to be Greek and theres nothing no Greek can do

 

Greek put up a hell of a fight against the Italian, the Bulgarians,  Albanians, and Germans.  Although the first few of those armies were very week we fought with everything we were not going to loose Greece again.  I have already said this and I'll say it again.  It took the Axis Powers 219 days to take Greece, 61 for Norway, 43 for France, 30 for Poland, 18 for Belgium, ana 3 for Yugoslavia.  Talk all you want about Greeks, for i am proud to be Greek.  Greeks are filled with courage.  Read Herald's last posted comment.

I respect your opinion kane, however I'm full of courage you do not know me so therefore you cant know much about me.  I have never been disappointed with being Greek either. 

As we have seen in 20th century wars both Turks and Greeks are brave soldiers. Greeks nearly spent as much money to military that Turks do. But there are several factors that was not reflected.

 

1. Turkey has one of the most efficient military doctrines in the worls (in his own way). For instance Turkish military doctrine assumes that in a high tech war Turkey can lose command and control any time during war with his units. So trainning and battle plans are done accordingly. During Korean war Turkish Brigade surrounded by 3 Chinesse Divisons. 3 days later brigade successfully broke the encirclement and saved itself. During these 3 days they had no comminication with any other friendly troops (Battle of Kunuri).

 

2. Much greater military discipline. Turkey is number one in the world in that subject. 

 

3. Much bigger, far better trained and war veteran(against PKK) special forces.

 

4. More cost efficient money spending policies in military hardware. Greece spending more money in equivalent equipment because they buy less and could not bargain as well (because of EU agreements they signed).

 

5. Turkish F16's vs Greek Mirage. Do not let on paper values fool you. F16's with their new Israel developed control systems are far better planes.

 

6. Turkish pilots regularly doing ground attack missions (against PKK). Perhaps after USA Turkey has the most recent experience on that typr of air missions.

 

7. Sheer number of soldiers and armored vehicles favours Turkey.

 

8. Extended range artillery. Turkish artillery has a range to strike entire Cyprus from Turkey.

 

9. Bad force allocation of Greek armed forces.

 

 

Don't you guys get it greece has repelled every attack on our country.every person who tryed to take over greece has  been defeated. our country loves its freedom and we will not lose it if we still live. The Greeks by far have the bravest soldiers. In World War II, Italy came to take over Greece and could not do it, a country with 10 times the army. They had to call in Germany for help. After 10 months of fighting they finally took control of Greece [FYI: took them 40 days to take over France]. Germans were stuck on Crete for 6 months and could not take control of the island because kids as well as older people were stabbing the parachute troopers as they were coming down. Only island that has never been conquered. Because of this LONG delay [10 months], it forced Germany to enter Russia in the winter ... and you all know what happened. Germany lost the war. So when it comes to courage, passion and having heart I would say Greece, hands down.  so if an army 10 times than us cannot even enter greece then how do you expect a army equally mached with us to beat us hu!? we fight and die we dont think of our selves but our children our women and above all GREECE and fight like lions no prisoners no sevivors. so if you think turky could deffeat us then think again because the persians,germans,romans,italians and even the turks before never and look at them now back at square one.

And also what do you know about war have you been in one have you fought greece before well let me tell you now because you think greeks are wosies well we invented heros mate havent you heard the speech from chuchhill well here you are "Today we call GREEKS heros for holding off the italians and germans in WWII, but tomorow we shall call heros GREEKS" i am proud to see that then greeks had a name but that name is fading because we seem weak but one day we shall show you people you people that think you can judge that numbers dont count how many times do we have to prove it. us? we invented war so we controle it  No greek is afraid to take 10 bullets for his or her country for

Don't you guys get it greece has repelled every attack on our country.every person who tryed to take over greece has  been defeated. our country loves its freedom and we will not lose it if we still live. The Greeks by far have the bravest soldiers. In World War II, Italy came to take over Greece and could not do it, a country with 10 times the army. They had to call in Germany for help. After 10 months of fighting they finally took control of Greece [FYI: took them 40 days to take over France]. Germans were stuck on Crete for 6 months and could not take control of the island because kids as well as older people were stabbing the parachute troopers as they were coming down. Only island that has never been conquered. Because of this LONG delay [10 months], it forced Germany to enter Russia in the winter ... and you all know what happened. Germany lost the war. So when it comes to courage, passion and having heart I would say Greece, hands down.  so if an army 10 times than us cannot even enter greece then how do you expect a army equally mached with us to beat us hu!? we fight and die we dont think of our selves but our children our women and above all GREECE and fight like lions no prisoners no sevivors. so if you think turky could deffeat us then think again because the persians,germans,romans,italians and even the turks before never and look at them now back at square one.

And also what do you know about war have you been in one have you fought greece before well let me tell you now because you think greeks are wosies well we invented heros mate havent you heard the speech from chuchhill well here you are "Today we call GREEKS heros for holding off the italians and germans in WWII, but tomorow we shall call heros GREEKS" i am proud to see that then greeks had a name but that name is fading because we seem weak but one day we shall show you people you people that think you can judge that numbers dont count how many times do we have to prove it. us? we invented war so we controle it  No greek is afraid to take 10 bullets for his or her country for

without diminishing anything of Greek's courage, a bit less pathos would also do ... and be more credible. 

 

a) Greek army was in fact defeated by the Germans in WWII and Greece was occupied ( no question about courage of Greek soldiers and population and the effort it took the Germans to get through - however it happened)

 

b) From a military standpoint, the German losses in Crete (which by the way was in fact taken over and held by the Germans) were mainly caused by massive defense fire while the paras were in the air (which is naturally the most vulnerable phase in any para operation) and the fact that they had massive difficulties to take over the airfield of Maleme: So a major tactical element was not achieved resulting in a situation that troops could not land as expected and further (by far more vulnerable) para operations were necessary. The reason was obviously that intelligence information was not accurate and that the paras landed with MP40 only (small hand fire weapons), while machine guns and other more heavy stuff was dropped in separate boxes, which they needed to find and get first. And the tactially extremely important airfield of Maleme was succeffully defended by New Zealanders in close combat - and not by Greeks (as afar as I know).

 

After all, Crete was occupied by the Germans. Allied forces had to evacuate and - against all partisan warfare - was held until Germany surrendered in 1945.

 

 And I guarantee: every Greek is afraid to take 10 bullets (like everybody else is and should be, if he is not idiotic !)

 

 

 

 

ad 2) How do you measure "military discipline" ? This is a very subjective claim and does not say anything. To factor at all.
ad 4) As far as I can see, the protection concept that Greece has in place is diversified and very focused on what the country needs. If you make such claims you need to look at the general/integrated defence concept and not on the amount of things bought by each country.

ad 5) What does "bad force allocation" mean ? How do you know ? 

oh yeah sorry i never mentioned that but still it took them 10 months to get in and only 40 days for france .are you french if yes the you got terrible soldiers if no french still arnt made for fighting. an u if you think takeing 10 bullets for you country is idiotic then you dont love not just your country but your mum,dad,relitives,wife,personal pride and you are just a coward that why greece wins its wars because we think of others not just our selves but our brothers and sisters of greece.AND ALSO I DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE A COWARD AND I DONT TALK TO COWARDS YOU HAVE LOW EXPECTATIONS FOR YOU SELF AND YOUR COUNTRY YOU SHOULD BE LABLED A FAILURE BY THEM I CANNOT SEE HOW YOU CAN NOT BE ASHAMED OF YOUR SELF.

IF YOU LOOK LONG TERM ONE DAY YOU WILL DIE.BETTER TO SPEND THAT COST FOR YOUR COUNTRY NOT JUST FOR YOURSELF. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THIS WRLD IS TURNNING INTO ITS FULL OF COWARDS AND TRATORS!!

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