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Subject: Turkey vs. Greece who better?
Irish Emo dudes    1/4/2007 7:32:39 PM
Greece spends 7 billion on their military and has american weapondry turkey spends 12 billion and also has american weapondry both used f-16's but turkey has ordered 100 f-35's not sure what greece is getting i think eurofighters...whose better militarily and who would win in a war (two different questions) and another thing i would like to know who is better trained?
 
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EMPIRE    EURO 2008   10/18/2007 12:24:29 PM




Turkey:4



Greece:1



We are better for now ......good match ;)



Funny that...!

Turkey: 0
Hellas: 1

In Constantinople...
Good Luck with Norway. You'll need it!

EURO is for EUROPEANS!

Very close of being 0 - 4 ....   ;-)

 
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kane       10/18/2007 2:37:58 PM
lol have you been waitig for this?Well congrats anyways, you deserved it this time....our team screwed
 
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Greek Patriot    GREECE BEATS TURKEY    10/25/2007 12:34:41 AM
         It is truel, Turkey is more well armed than Greece, but Greece is right behind them.  Ofcourse, lets not forget our history of WW2.  Greece was the only country that was forced to confront these countries armies; Albania, Bulgaria, Germany, and Italy.  When all the world had lost hope and thought it was all over Greece decided to put the Axis powers to the test.  On October 28, 1941 when Mussolini tried to take Greece the Greeks refused and went to war.  Later on in the war the Greeks defeated Mussolini's army and the aid of the Albanians and pushed both forces back into Albania and out of Greece.  This messed up Hitlers plans of going to Russia and he had to come aid Mussolini who could not defeated a tiny country like Greece.  Then Hitler had to attack Russia in the winter in more sever conditions.  I will now share with you some about WW2 facts... 
 
Duration of Resistance (In Days)
 
Greece 219
Norway 61
France 43 (The Superpower at the time)
Poland 30
Belgium 18
Holland 4
Yugoslavia 3
Czechoslovakia 3
Luxembourg 0
Denmark 0  (The Danish surrendered to Hitlers motorcyclists)
 
Total Greek loses cause by occupying power
 
Albania 1165
Italians  8000
Bulgarians 25000
Germany 50000
 
Total loses in population percent
 
Greece 10%
Soviet Union 2.8%
Holland 2.2%
France 2%
Poland 1.8%
Yugoslavia 1.7%
Belgium 1.5%
 
Quotes about the Greeks
 
"For the sake of historical truth i must verify that only the Greeks, of all the adversaries who confronted us fought with bold courage and highest disregard of death."  Adolph Hitler (From speech he delieverd to Reichstagon May 4th 1941)
 
"I'am sorry because I'am getting old and I shall not live long to thank the Greek people whoose resistance decided WW2."  Joseph Stalin (From speech broadcast over radio after victory of Stalingrad January 31 1943)
 
"The war with Greece proved that nothing is firm in the military and that surprises always await us." Benito Mussolini 10/5/1941
 
  "Until now we used to say that Greeks fight like heroes. Now we shall say heroes fight like Greeks." (Winston Churchill 1941)
 
You fought unarmed and won, small against big.  We owe you gratitude because you gave us time to defend ourselves.  As Russians and as people we thank you.  Joseph Stalin
 
As you can see you Turks you may have a little bit more firepower than us however, we have one thing no one else has, and that is courage.  In order to survive in WW2 we had to do one of the great things we were born to do, fight!  We Greeks are proud people.  Nothing is firm in the military as Mussolini says.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Herald1234       10/25/2007 1:16:13 AM

         It is truel, Turkey is more well armed than Greece, but Greece is right behind them.  Ofcourse, lets not forget our history of WW2.  Greece was the only country that was forced to confront these countries armies; Albania, Bulgaria, Germany, and Italy.  When all the world had lost hope and thought it was all over Greece decided to put the Axis powers to the test.  On October 28, 1941 when Mussolini tried to take Greece the Greeks refused and went to war.  Later on in the war the Greeks defeated Mussolini's army and the aid of the Albanians and pushed both forces back into Albania and out of Greece.  This messed up Hitlers plans of going to Russia and he had to come aid Mussolini who could not defeated a tiny country like Greece.  Then Hitler had to attack Russia in the winter in more sever conditions.  I will now share with you some about WW2 facts... 

 

Duration of Resistance (In Days)

 

Greece 219

Norway 61

France 43 (The Superpower at the time)

Poland 30

Belgium 18

Holland 4

Yugoslavia 3

Czechoslovakia 3

Luxembourg 0

Denmark 0  (The Danish surrendered to Hitlers motorcyclists)

 

Total Greek loses cause by occupying power

 

Albania 1165

Italians  8000

Bulgarians 25000

Germany 50000

 

Total loses in population percent

 

Greece 10%

Soviet Union 2.8%

Holland 2.2%

France 2%

Poland 1.8%

Yugoslavia 1.7%

Belgium 1.5%

 

Quotes about the Greeks

 

"For the sake of historical truth i must verify that only the Greeks, of all the adversaries who confronted us fought with bold courage and highest disregard of death."  Adolph Hitler (From speech he delieverd to Reichstagon May 4th 1941)

 

"I'am sorry because I'am getting old and I shall not live long to thank the Greek people whoose resistance decided WW2."  Joseph Stalin (From speech broadcast over radio after victory of Stalingrad January 31 1943)

 

"The war with Greece proved that nothing is firm in the military and that surprises always await us." Benito Mussolini 10/5/1941

 

  "Until now we used to say that Greeks fight like heroes. Now we shall say heroes fight like Greeks." (Winston Churchill 1941)

 

You fought unarmed and won, small against big.  We owe you gratitude because you gave us time to defend ourselves.  As Russians and as people we thank you.  Joseph Stalin

 

As you can see you Turks you may have a little bit more firepower than us however, we have one thing no one else has, and that is courage.  In order to survive in WW2 we had to do one of the great things we were born to do, fight!  We Greeks are proud people.  Nothing is firm in the military as Mussolini says.

 

 

 

 

 



Before you fill yourself with quite justifiable Greek pride; there were two nations provably tougher than you in WW II: Finland who defeated both the Germans and Russians on their territory when they were invaded, and Japan, who needed atomic bombing to force them to quit.
 
Herald
 
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Godofgamblers       10/25/2007 3:28:06 AM
Not to belittle your achievements, GP, but the stats seem to be a bit off. 1.8% for Poland for instance. 13 million Poles lost their lives in WW2. Where does 1.8% come from?
 
I believe the Yugo resistance to the Nazis was the fiercest.
 
 
 
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Greek Patriot       10/25/2007 9:47:55 AM
Well Herald,  Finland held off two great armies indeed however, Greece held off 4 great armies.  Right you are Japan did quit after the atomic bomb.  The Greeks never quit never they fought till the death.  I want you to research something called Oxi night it talks and shows how much courage have.  This is what started the war with Greece and when the Greeks decided to test the unstoppable Axis Powers.
 
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Herald1234       10/25/2007 10:00:52 AM

Well Herald,  Finland held off two great armies indeed however, Greece held off 4 great armies.  Right you are Japan did quit after the atomic bomb.  The Greeks never quit never they fought till the death.  I want you to research something called Oxi night it talks and shows how much courage have.  This is what started the war with Greece and when the Greeks decided to test the unstoppable Axis Powers.


1. I have no doubt at all about Greek courage.
2. I have no doubt about my knowledge of history or how to fairly assign unbiased proportionality to effort demonstrated.

From the Congressional Record

Washington, D.C., October 29, 2003 - Congressman Mike Bilirakis (R-FL), Co-chair of the Congressional Caucus on Hellenic Issues, yesterday delivered a special order speech on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives to commemorate the anniversary of OXI Day.

The full text of Congressman Bilirakis' remarks follow:

Mr. Speaker, I rise proudly to celebrate "oxi" day. The historical significance of this day and what it meant to the outcome of World War II cannot be overstated. The outcome of a decision made on a day in 1940, had a profound impact on the conducting of the war by Nazi Germany. We're talking about a stand made by a small, battered and courageous nation, namely Greece, against the larger, more powerful aggressors Italy and Germany.

By October of 1940, World War II had begun, and the Nazi war machine was already in high gear. Along with Hitler's ally, Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, the German and Italian forces were threatening the whole of Europe. European nations were bowing to tyranny and destruction as the Germans and the Italians marched through Europe.

Great Britain endured Germany's aerial bombardment, forcing Hitler to seek another avenue to subdue the British. Hitler intended to eliminate British operations in the Mediterranean in order to weaken their ability to deter German advances.

To achieve this, Hitler needed the Axis powers to strike at British forces in Greece. By conquering Greece, Hitler would gain access to an important connecting link with Italian bases in the Dodecanese islands. This would give the Italians a strangle hold on British positions in Egypt, where British forces were already facing attack from the Italian army in north Africa. The British considered the defense of Egypt vital to allied positions in the oil rich Middle East.

On October 28, 1940, the Italian Ambassador in Athens presented an insulting ultimatum to Greek Prime Minister Metaxas, demanding the unconditional surrender of Greece or Italy would declare war and invade Greece. Mussolini had given the Greek Prime Minister Metaxas three hours to reply.

Prime Minister Metaxas responded with the now historic word "oxi," which means "no" in Greek. His statement embodied the true spirit of the Greek people. His words of defiance echoed the same devotion and love of country that Greek patriots exhibited during their war of independence against the Ottoman empire when they shouted the defiant words "liberty or death." Prime Minister Metaxas' actions marked the beginning of one of the world's most heroic efforts against tyranny and oppression. Italy then invaded.

It is important to note that in addition to Greece having a population seven times smaller than Italy, the disparity in their armed forces was even greater: Italy had close to ten times the firepower of Greece in its army and navy and seven times the troops. Italy's large air force had total air superiority since Greece had a very small defensive air force. However, despite their lack of equipment, the Greek army proved to be well-trained and resourceful. Within a week of the invasion, it was clear that Italian forces were suffering serious setbacks despite having control of the air and fielding superior armored vehicles.

On November 14th, the Greek army launched a counter-offensive and quickly drove the Italian forces back into Albania. By the next month, the Greeks had captured the town of Pogradec in eastern Albania. The fighting continued for a few more months...it was clear that the Greeks were not going to stand for defeat. In a last ditch effort to bring the war to a close before the Italians would be forced to ask Hitler to intervene, they launched another assault on March 12, 1941. After six days of fighting, the Italians had made only insignificant gains, and it became clear that German intervention was necessar

 
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Ehran       10/25/2007 2:47:32 PM

Well Herald,  Finland held off two great armies indeed however, Greece held off 4 great armies. 
got to admit this is the first time i've heard the albanian, bulgarian or italian armies called "great armies".

 
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Greek Patriot       10/25/2007 6:18:56 PM
Herald i thank you for doing such great research on my people
 
Thank you
Greek Patriot
 
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Godofgamblers       10/25/2007 8:11:35 PM
By the way, GP, FREEDOM OR DEATH by Kazantzakis is one of my favorite books. It describes the Greek fighting spirit very well.
 
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