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Subject: Indonesia attacks Australia over West Papua
Tilt    6/3/2006 1:36:45 AM
West Papua has long suffered Indonesian oppression since the 70's. With a growing independence movement withing WP will Australia step in (as it did in East Timor) to defend West Papua against the brutal Indonesian TNI (army)?. If so who would prevail? While Australia holds signicant quality and quantity advantage in air and naval forces what about a land conflict in WP?
 
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DropBear    Weasel   12/7/2006 1:32:55 PM
can you pleeeeze stop writing "curious"... it is driving me up the wall.

how about "fascinating", or something like the scarlet pimpernel e.g. "sink me"

cheers

What is so wrong with the word "curious"?

I find it somewhat curious that you would have an issue with someone being curious.

Strange indeed. In fact it is downright CURIOUS.



 
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Gatotkaca       12/7/2006 4:26:06 PM
Here is an Americanism, that is 7000 years old, found scratched on a wall in Ur in Sumer which was an ancient city found here;

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur"

"The gods give the people what rulers they deserve."

Herald
 
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Herald1234    Keep trying. You almost got the point correct.    12/7/2006 4:32:53 PM
Look at Jakarta, and then a mirror.  Very hard.
 
Herald 
 
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Gatotkaca       12/7/2006 4:59:23 PM
Here is an Americanism, that is 7000 years old, found scratched on a wall in Ur in Sumer which was an ancient city found here;

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur"

"The gods give the people what rulers they deserve."

Herald
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Very interesting article Herald, I guess the root of all starts from Mesopotamia.
 
But what does that relates to Americanism. The babylonian where Arabs and Americans where Europeans.
 
Europeans have a long history of pillaging eg. Vikings/Romans and Greeks, that is why they move to North America and Elsewhere. They've mastered the art of war when they've stopped the Mongols in France and subdued the Arabs in Cordoba Spain in 1200 AD.
 
The whole American Indians where wipe out from North America in less than 100 years so did the Buffallo that roam the plains.
 
South America, the Spaniards called Cortez ventured into the Amazon and wipe out the whole Inca Civilization and hang/burn the locals who did not convert to Catholism.
 
What we're seeing is a global conquest, spreading the seeds of suffering.
 
If you consider to be the beacon of Civilization, look back at your own history.
 
America has it civil liberty only after the 1960's, Blacks were still segregated i.e. separate toilets, buses and schools, only until 1968 did we see a real change in the policy and those who fought against the change were either shot dead or assassinated eg. Martin Luther King, the Kennedy's etc.
 
I don't personally have a problem with the ordinary American no matter what race they come i.e. black, white, yellow, brown even green people where you often claim to have encountered in Hangar 51 in the desert of Nevada.
 
 
 
 
 
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Herc the Merc    Gatotkaka--a quik tip for u   12/7/2006 5:04:25 PM
Do not live in the past-whats done is done by all civilization-talk about today-I am sure the amoeba ate the virus and the virus killed the bacteria and the virus killed the monkey but the dead monkey was eaten by a croc then the croc was attacked by a dinosaurus and the dino was killed by the meteor and the croc survived. Should we punish the croc or applaud his survival skills--oops we forgot the cockroach they survived everything too. Conclusion lets crocs and cockroaches claim the planet. Since even in Indos the cockroaches probably still survive. Surrender.
 
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Gatotkaca       12/7/2006 5:08:11 PM
Here is an Americanism, that is 7000 years old, found scratched on a wall in Ur in Sumer which was an ancient city found here;

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur"

"The gods give the people what rulers they deserve."

Herald
 
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Herc the Merc    Gatotkaca   12/7/2006 5:13:50 PM
Your cultural, racial ethnic interpretation of property claims or national borders do not apply as right u may think u r. This as agreed upon by contract in the UN by ur leaders, if however u dispute the current world order u have an option to petition the UN. The only other choice is war. No need to ramble ur historical grievances against the West-it serves no point but increasing ur blood pressure and ur frustration at ur inability to force ur viewpoint. Australia is close by -attack. DropB can't wait.
 
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Gatotkaca       12/7/2006 5:20:01 PM
Do not live in the past-whats done is done by all civilization-talk about today-I am sure the amoeba ate the virus and the virus killed the bacteria and the virus killed the monkey but the dead monkey was eaten by a croc then the croc was attacked by a dinosaurus and the dino was killed by the meteor and the croc survived. Should we punish the croc or applaud his survival skills--oops we forgot the cockroach they survived everything too. Conclusion lets crocs and cockroaches claim the planet. Since even in Indos the cockroaches probably still survive. Surrender.
 
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Very interesting remark, your knowledge of history is limited I guess.
 
Anyway our cockroaches can fly, a feat that they've mastered over eons of years in the harsh tropical climate.
 
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Herc the Merc    Gatokaca since u have so many complaints   12/7/2006 5:23:13 PM
against the great European expansion--what do u plan to do?? I mean even I would like to takeover Australia, I have more or less put America in my back pocket, but Aussieland is proving very difficult--if u have some good ideas lets brainstorm--we will split the gold and the beer.
 
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Herald1234    Gat   12/7/2006 5:27:13 PM

Here is an Americanism, that is 7000 years old, found scratched on a wall in Ur in Sumer which was an ancient city found here;

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur"

"The gods give the people what rulers they deserve."

Herald
--------

 

Very interesting article Herald, I guess the root of all starts from Mesopotamia.

 

But what does that relates to Americanism. The babylonian where Arabs and Americans where Europeans.

 

Europeans have a long history of pillaging eg. Vikings/Romans and Greeks, that is why they move to North America and Elsewhere. They've mastered the art of war when they've stopped the Mongols in France and subdued the Arabs in Cordoba Spain in 1200 AD.

 

The whole American Indians where wipe out from North America in less than 100 years so did the Buffallo that roam the plains.

 

South America, the Spaniards called Cortez ventured into the Amazon and wipe out the whole Inca Civilization and hang/burn the locals who did not convert to Catholism.

 

What we're seeing is a global conquest, spreading the seeds of suffering.

 

If you consider to be the beacon of Civilization, look back at your own history.

 

America has it civil liberty only after the 1960's, Blacks were still segregated i.e. separate toilets, buses and schools, only until 1968 did we see a real change in the policy and those who fought against the change were either shot dead or assassinated eg. Martin Luther King, the Kennedy's etc.

 

I don't personally have a problem with the ordinary American no matter what race they come i.e. black, white, yellow, brown even green people where you often claim to have encountered in Hangar 51 in the desert of Nevada.

 

 

 

 


 
First of all don't try to lecture me. You are not my equal. Not by a long shot.
Second of all, rule of law began in that part of the Earth. If you don't know what that means I suggest you refer to the Code of Hammurabi.
Third of all you know American history superficially as you seem to know many things. If you knewn it in detail you would know that there was a period in American history when African Americans enjoyed greater civil rights than Southern Euro-Americans. That period was called Reconstruction. Why African Americans lost their civil rights is long and involved but it involved reactionary revaunchism by many Euro-Americans whom reacted badly to the A,merican Civil War's outcome. That set my nation back politically about two centuries. My grandchildren won't see that wound healed.
 
Fourth of all you know nothing of my nation's Indian Wars. Those men we fought were savages in the ancient sense of the term. I will not apologize to anyone for what we did to them. They had it coming to them, period.
 
Fifth of all, I told you not to plead Third World with me. I don't buy it. Indonesia is hugely wealthy in resources, in people, in opportunity. It is your own national corruption that holds you down now. Fix it and quit complaining that you are oppressed. If  nothing else, learn from America and Japan. Do you think that those two nations were not oppressed at one time by Europe? Where are they now and WHY?
 
Herald     
 
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