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Subject: Best games as practice for combat
Godofgamblers    5/8/2006 4:34:15 AM
What games are best to prepare men for war? The skills could be anything from conditioning, orienteering, toughness, teamwork or strategy. Rugby is a good game that teaches teamwork while demanding incredible stamina and speed. It is excellent for adrenalin rushing exercise. Some may argue that orienteering exercises in teams is an excellent 'game' to build on survival skills, woodsmanship, etc. For commanders, some may choose something like Chess since it teaches strategy and teaches one to value the different powers and values of different pieces. I myself would choose an Indian (or is it Sikh?) game whose name eludes me. I saw it played once and it looks like the most punishing, pulse pounding game i have ever seen. It looks a bit like Rugby, martial arts and Aussie Rules all rolled into one except that you have to hold your breath when you play (!). (I am counting on our Indian friends to enlighten me on this one) Your views, as always, are much appreciated, Gentlemen. GoG
 
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Godofgamblers    RE:MMO RMT for GoG galrahn   5/10/2006 1:40:02 AM
! there seems to be a whole world that i was not aware of. a 'matrix' if you will! played on a PC? i think there are hundreds of these around jakarta now that i think of it. we have internet cafes called "Warnets" but some are not for the net but exclusively for these sorts of combat games though i have never noticed the names of them. i can only hear them as i walk by because they have booming speakers blasting out... i think these must be the games you are referring to. incredible... why stop? keep going, man! follow the action...
 
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Godofgamblers    RE:stupid queston galrahn   5/10/2006 1:45:30 AM
i have a question then: if these virtual credits or objects can be sold for real money, then couldn't the company make money by simply selling them? since it has an unlimited supply, it could finance itself in this way. stupid question, but how does the company make money off all this gaming? or does it charge to use its site where gamers meet online? thx
 
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gf0012-aust    Seriously - Thomas3   5/10/2006 2:11:24 AM
"It is far easier to motivate people to do something they enjoy doing in the first place, and the results get much better. If there are limited positions at some place, then pick the best man for the job - the other will have to do with whats left." it's called "profiling". we do it for higher level managers and executives, and yet we never do it for operators. Absolute stupidity when everyone knows that you build from the bottom up....
 
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Jimme    RE:stupid queston galrahn   5/10/2006 2:50:47 AM
"i have a question then: if these virtual credits or objects can be sold for real money, then couldn't the company make money by simply selling them? since it has an unlimited supply, it could finance itself in this way. " For same reason a nation can't just print all the money it wants, it becomes worthless if too much is circulating.. Plus the whole point of the game is to PLAY a agme not spend your money on things in the game. Some people do it but most don't. " stupid question, but how does the company make money off all this gaming? or does it charge to use its site where gamers meet online? thx" Best example is EverQuest, $14 a month, $30 for the game itself, plus another $30 every year for expansions. its a gold mine
 
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Godofgamblers    RE:stupid queston galrahn jimme   5/10/2006 4:46:40 AM
well, obviously, they couldn't saturate the market, but a programer at the company could put some cash into his bank account this way, couldn't he? it would be child's play... $14/month allows you to play on line, i assume, jimme? if 5m people are paying $14/month, it is better than porn!
 
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Thomas3    RE:Seriously - Thomas3   5/10/2006 8:00:00 AM
Well: Any armed force that has been to war recently will apply common sense. The Danish Armed farces haven't done anything but a bit of peacekeeping the last 150 odd years. And I've never assumed they even aspired to mediocrity. Do you understand the Danish army has recruiting problems. Actually I suspect the armed forces in Denmark use "profiling": That is the only explanation for assigning a colonel Høy-Hansen to the personel department in the Air Farce: He was a good operational man; but absolutely hopeless as a leader of men, assign a man to a post he is certainly incapable of filling .... I do wonder: As the NCO and Officer carriers of the Australians are very much parallel - including pay, why is profiling not done on a from the most basic level; perhaps it has something to do with the relatively small size of the Australian armed forces. My idea for the Danish forces is that every man in peacetime should be trained for the next higher position, so in case of a buildup the command structure can be augmented by the simple expedient of lining the force up. Walking along with a box of chevrons, stripes and stars!
 
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Galrahn    RE:stupid queston galrahn jimme   5/10/2006 9:01:18 AM
$14/month allows you to play on line, i assume, jimme? Many of those games are online only, meaning $14 or whatever per month per account just to play the game, period. Many players have more than 1 account too, meaning many are paying $28+ a month to play a game with 2 or more accounts. On top of that, many are buying currency from trading sites, which might mean they spend another $100 every few months to 'deck out' their character. The only Company I am aware of that actually does sell stuff in their own game is Sony with Everquest 2. Most companies do not, frown upon it, and ban players involved in the RMT world citing it as a violation of the Terms of Service, thus why I say black market. You want to see the bleeding edge of this wild industry, check out Second Life, where $50,000 gets spent daily buying and selling property that is completely virtual, all inside the game itself. link You can't make that up. I think on their homepage they track how much money is spent per day on the trading of property. Many media sources have covered it. link link The online gaming industry is much bigger than porn online. If I remember right, it is something like a 25 billion dollar industry as of 2005 (I might be wrong, but it would be because I am shorting online gaming). Porn is a 9 billion dollar industry last I heard.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Seriously - Thomas3   5/10/2006 9:31:17 AM
"My idea for the Danish forces is that every man in peacetime should be trained for the next higher position, so in case of a buildup the command structure can be augmented by the simple expedient of lining the force up. " well, in theory thats what AustGov profiling is supposed to achieve. Middle mgt are recruited on the basis that they will be able to migrate to senior mgt without falling off the rails on the way. senior mgrs are supposed to be best suited for exec roles etc.... maybe we should just stick everyone on a specfor qualifying course to measure them up ;)
 
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Ehran    RE:stupid queston galrahn   5/10/2006 11:28:19 AM
the company that runs the mmorpg game charges a monthly fee to play the game. they almost all seem to frown on selling stuff for real world dollars though it's very difficult to police that sort of thing and i don't think they really worry about it much. the game i play is called anarchy online and they have actually made changes in the game designed to frustrate the asian farmer brigades.
 
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buzzard    RE:Golf: need advice   5/10/2006 12:29:42 PM
"if only i knew how to play... are the clubs expensive? how do you learn how to play?" In an effort to get me to play, my parents (who now play since they are old) paid for me to get some clubs and golf lessons. This was back in grad school when I had plenty of free time. I picked up some used clubs at Play It Again Sports for cheap and had a series of lessons. I got OK on my long game, but never really had a knack for the putting. In any case the whole business bored me to tears. I do have plenty of friends, though, that are ardent golfers. In regards to clubs, you really don't need a whole set. You can get by with 1 driver, the odd numbered irons, and a putter. The nine iron can sub in for a sand wedge. Thus if you can pick up clubs used individually, you should be able to deck yourself out fairly cheap. I do reccomend lessons as proper technique is important and is certainly not as simple as it looks. buzzard
 
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