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Nanheyangrouchuan meanwhile in the Red corner... 5/2/2006 11:35:26 PM

China's air force intensifies training www.chinaview.cn 2006-05-02 18:57:31 BEIJING, May 2 (Xinhua) -- Chinese air force has been intensified trainings in an effort to enhance its combat strength, the People's Liberation Army Daily reported Tuesday. The report said that the air force has largely improved its counter electromagnetic interference ability in preparation for a high-tech war. The trainings, which were kicked off last year, signals a shift of the air force's focus from mere "safety first" to the improved striking ability, the paper said. All the combative regiments of the air force were ordered to strengthen anti-electromagnetic interference ability by carrying out regular trainings in a complicated meteorological and electromagnetic environment, according to the paper. "That will enable them to get closer to the actual war situation," it said, adding that the number of participating pilots has reached record high. The paper said that mock up battles of air-to-ground or air-to-air have been launched in the trainings, aiming to improve the air force's striking capability. Enditem Editor: Chen Feng

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Decimatus So what will be the cost? 5/3/2006 1:57:19 AM

We all know the cost if Iran actually acquires nuclear weapons, but what exactly happens when oil hits $200 a barrel? Do we face a recession, or maybe even a depression? Could we turn it around into a boom as we tranition our economy into alternative forms of energy?

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Decimatus Btw 5/3/2006 2:02:59 AM

When did the Mayans say the world was supposed to end? Some time in the next few years isn't it? I think there was even another prediction that put the end of the world in the next few years as well. Sometime between now and 2012? It would be certainly interesting to watch China make some grand strategic move while we are hammering down on Iran.

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Galrahn RE:Btw 5/3/2006 9:06:41 AM

BTW. The Mayan calander itself doesn't end in December 21-23, the latest Mayan calender cycle ends. While the math used in expressing the correlation between the Maya calendar and the Gregorian or Julian calendars gives that time period as the end of the Mayan calander, the Mayan calender does indeed continue as a rebirth into its next cycle. Since the Mayan calender is based on their studies of solar rotations, the legend was born the world will end when the math conversions used to line up the calander systems came up with a 0 in December of 2012. Things often get lost in translation, mostly because it is easier to believe the legend than it is to study the math and science.

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Decimatus RE:Btw 5/3/2006 10:32:56 AM

So what is that, like a Mayan Y2K? Still, going to be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next 6-10 years apocalypse or not.

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Galrahn RE:Btw 5/3/2006 11:10:25 AM

It is more like additional layers on top of days, months, and years. A Maya Calender cycle is something like every 28,000 years, but in conversion to other calenders, only days, months, and years are utilized for math conversion. Think of 2012 as a 'multi-year' cycle similar to what we consider a month, where in our calender a month ends on the 31st and starts over the next month at 1... for their calender, a multi-year period ends in 2012. The Wikipedia article somewhat goes into it, and is a good place to start online regarding how the conversion created a legand, but the History Channel on TV has covered the story more thoroughly, and there are several books that tackle the issue, including from the end of the world perspective.

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Galrahn RE: on topic - Decimatus 5/3/2006 11:47:16 AM

Back to your question about surface ships on deployment outside of CSGs and ESGs, the USS John E Williams deployment is a good example. While the USS Hue City and USS Trenton sortie more than a week ago, the USS James E. Williams sortie as apart of that SSG but deploys with the Enterprise CSG. The reason it didn?t deploy last week is logistics, it wasn?t ready to go when the other 2 ships left, so instead it waited for the Big E. By traveling with the Enterprise, the ship is apart of the same logistical cycle of the Enterprise CSG, thus it isn't a warship out in the middle of nowhere operating solo outside the regular logistics cycle of other warships. The logistical cycles for T-AOs are an important, almost never discussed element of the deployment element of the Fleet Response Plan. By keeping units together in transit, and organizing units on station, fleet logistics can baseline resupply needs. In the case of the Enterprise CSG and the USS USS James E. Williams, the USNS Supply (T-AOE) will keep the ships logistically supplied, then will be sortied meet up with a T-AO and/or T-AE based from Europe to resupply, and return to the group to repeat the process. Again, once arriving to the Gulf, the T-AOE will resupply from another Gulf based T-AO/T-AE, and join the logistical base ofthe region as an intermediate between the strike group and the lgistics elements of the AO. This process allows the US Navy to forward operate logistics elements in the forward deployed AO, and maintain fleet supply for ships operating over a larger area. Allies are typically involved in the logistics of multi-national task forces, for example, in Task Force 150, the Japan, the Netherlands, Australia, and the French all contribute logistics support, and while a US T-AO might refuel a French ship, a French oiler might refuel a US destroyer. In the same regard, when logistics ships return to port to reload, CVNs, LHDs, and LHAs may act as a logistical ship for other ships in the Task Force. Logistics, more than any other reason, is why the US Navy doesn't operate many ships solo out to sea. Even in the Pacific, where CSG deployments last year were less frequent, SSGs of surface combatants would deploy typically 3 ships at a time, and even though separated, association with the larger group is maintained even while separated at ranges over hundreds of nautical miles in the context of a single SSG, simply to maintain the logistical cycle as supported from South Korea, Japan, Australia, or Guam. A US Navy cruiser might appear to be operating all alone 600nm from the rest of the SSG, but in reality that is simply a days cruise from a destroyer counterpart in the SSG. On resupply day, both ships might cruise for 14 hours to meet up at a single location with a T-AO to resupply, and once reloaded separate again off to perform different patrols hundreds of miles apart from one another. In South America, things are admittedly a little different, but then again, supply comes directly from the US, so it is much easier to deploy ships solo with other ships off either coast at any given time to take advantage of the logistics cycle.

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Nichevo RE:meanwhile in the Red corner...cmon 5/5/2006 8:49:21 PM

Duh, these jagoffs got caught in a lightning storm, some survived, they think they learned something. OMG can't you recognize propaganda when you see it? I'm so tired of their foolishness. Punitive expeditions I suppose are no longer PC... Meanwhile am I the only one interested in the possibilities of assassination? Of covert work in general? Oh, I suppose Valerie Plame was engineering a coup when she suddenly decided to have her husband expose her. Boredom perhaps.

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DarthAmerica RE: Noteworthy... Good Read Nanheyangrouchuan. Thank You 5/7/2006 1:50:44 AM

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