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Yimmy RE:Old Grunt 3/29/2006 12:19:39 PM

I don't know what it would be for the UK. Currently in use, would probably have to go to the LSW A1. Historically, it would probably have to go to some of the contraptions issued to the Home Guard in WWII, such as new manufacture pikes, and sticky bombs.

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olive greens Seige Guns!!! 3/29/2006 12:47:34 PM

From the East: seige guns! Not my "country" per se, but the various states that went on to become my country had lots of little despots who fancied big guns... ... calibers in range of HUNDREDS OF POUNDS. The friggin things were so heavy that they never left the home-fort. When under seige of course, two or three shots and you are soon out of ammo. The sheer naivette (stupidity would have been more forgivable) and self-indulgence of those men is probably the single biggest contributor to the way the world runs now.

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EssexBoy RE:Yimmy 3/29/2006 1:03:13 PM

Surely for the Brits it's got to be the PIAT - heavy, difficult to arm, crap range and inaccurate. One of my uncles served as an infantryman in the latter stages of WW2, and the only story I ever heard him tell from that time concerned the PIAT. He was sent off for training with along with a load of other blokes, most were green like him but there were also a few veterans. After the demonstration one of the veterans asked the instructor how close you had to get to a panther to do any damage. When they stopped laughing at the answer the veterans piltely told the instructor where he could stick his PIAT. Fred said it didn't exactly fill him with confidence.

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Yimmy RE:Essex 3/29/2006 1:11:10 PM

The Panther is a big tank, and one would assume fairly easy to hit, while the PIAT used a first generation shaped charge warhead, so the range would have no effect on killing ability. Hit a Panther in the rear, and it wouldn't matter if you fired the PIAT from 20m's or 100m's. The complaints concerning the PIAT, are based on its strong spring ing. The spring flew forwards on releasing the trigger, throwing the projectile forwards while detonating a launching charge. The operator was expected to grab the operating lever on fireing, and it with the help of the recoil.

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Ehran RE:Essex 3/29/2006 1:42:54 PM

piat's also had the unfortunate characteristic i've read of having the round slide out the front if it was tipped down much like firing from a second story window at a ground level tank. on behalf of the germans how about that monstrosity tank hitler wanted the Maus i think it was called. mounted an 88 mm spotting rifle of all the ridiculous things.

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