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Subject: Something Different
ArtyEngineer    3/26/2006 1:27:14 AM
OK guys, so many threads end up in a nationalistic "Our kit is better than your kit" type discussion.

Lets try something different, what is the worst piece of equipment your nation has ever fielded? Lets argue agout whos stuff is worst rather than best.

 
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interestedamateur    RE:Something Different   3/26/2006 5:26:39 AM
SA80-A1 Nuff sed!
 
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Ehran    RE:Something Different   3/26/2006 4:54:38 PM
well for canada it's pretty much gotta be the ross rifle they sent the boys off to the trenches of ww1 with. bloody lovely rifle right up until it was sent into the field and encountered any kind of dirt or mud. it immediately turned itself into an awkwardly balanced spear. it made a nice sniper rifle if kept clean but as a battle rifle yee gods. fortunately the british had loads of enfields to beg borrow or steal.
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Something Different - Ehran   3/26/2006 9:10:47 PM
Having recently had dealings with canadian Artillery guys, most of them dont think too highly of the LG-1 Howitzer.
 
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GOP    RE:M-16A1   3/26/2006 10:10:28 PM
I would have to also go with the M-16A1. It costs the lives of our guys probably in the thousands (I am serious), so probably the worst thing we have evry fielded. Not really a piece of equipment, but during the Spanish-American war, the rations we used were very old (40 years old) and I have heard that 90% of deaths were because of this.
 
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AlbanyRifles    From the loggie side....   3/26/2006 10:23:42 PM
1. The GOER.....it wouldn't 2. The Gamma Goat....Dear God, how bad were the Alpha and Beta Goats!! 3. The Rough Terrain Container Carrier....there is a VERY good reason why its called the RETCH! 4. BARCs & LARCs.....the DUKW writ large....and worse! 5. The first batches of MREs and T-Rations...test unit for both. I have yet to get over it. And not a loggie systems but......The DAVY CROCKET!!!
 
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stbretnco    RE:M-16A1   3/26/2006 10:27:23 PM
I wouldn't call the M-16A1 the worst weapon the US Army ever fielded. The fielding was bungled, the Army supplied the wrong ammo with the weapon, soldiers were told they didn't have to clean it, etc. The worst weapon fielded by the US Army has to be the chauchat, AKA the potato digger. Open sided clips, exposed operating rod, an absolute POS. Not what you want in trench warfare. On the Commo side of the house, the absolute worst radio the US Army ever gave us was the 1st generation SINCGARS. It was a prime example of why tomorrow's technology today is a bad idea.
 
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AlbanyRifles    STBrenco   3/26/2006 10:33:32 PM
link I believe you are mistaking the Spanish American War vintage Colt machine gun with the WW 1 French made Chauchat light auto rifle. The said, the Cahuchat was a POS.
 
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stbretnco    RE:STBrenco   3/26/2006 10:41:11 PM
link Notice the clip on the aforementioned POS
 
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seantheaussie    Something Different    3/27/2006 2:09:01 AM
Surely the US hasn't & never will use a worse weapon than their early WWII torpedoes. I am bloody certain there were intense "discussions" when Argie pilots returned from perfect bombing runs on the RN & saw the squadron ammomen.
 
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smitty237    RE:STBrenco   3/27/2006 2:20:16 AM
Albany is right. The "Potato Digger" was a belt felt machinegun made by Colt that was fielded during the Spanish American War. It had a lever the swunger underneath the weapon as it cycled and fired. If you mounted it low to the ground you had to dig a trench so the lever wouldn't hit the ground. The Chauchat was a French clip fed light machine gun. Both were pieces of crap. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the M-60 machinegun. Kind of ironic that the US adopted the FN MAG to replace the M-60, even though the FN MAG's design is as old as the M-60's.
 
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smitty237    RE:STBrenco   3/27/2006 2:21:50 AM
Sorry. That should read "lever that swung underneath"
 
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buzzard    RE:Something Different   3/27/2006 10:01:50 AM
I'd have to mention the Krag rifle which was fielded in the Spanish American War. A pretty enough rifle, but it was underpowered and had a completely asinine reloading method. It was obsolete the day it was fielded, and we were completely outgunned by the Spanish (who were fielding Mausers) owing to this rifle. I believe the only thing which saved out bacon was some enterprising officer digging up and old gattling gun for employment. The Army brass actually chose the Krag design because it reloaded slowly. They believed this would conserve ammo and caused shots to be more carefully aimed. Another notable dog would have to be the Grant/Lee tank. The fact that the Sherman was described as the Ronson was laughable in the face of this piece of dreck. Under armored, and with it's main gun fixed in the turret, thus was state of the art to well before the war even started. Also it was of a rivetted construction where upon being hit in a glancing blow which should have be survivable, in many cases the rivets on the inside facing of the armor would spall off making shrapnel in the inside of the tank. Truthfully in much U.S. Army kit from W.W. II (other than the Garand) you can make a strong case that we only won because we made enough to piss it away in huge quantity. buzzard
 
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stbretnco    Mea Culpa   3/27/2006 9:03:13 PM
My mistake on the potato digger, I got my machine gun nicknames mixed up. It doesn't change the fact that the chauchat was a miserable failure.
 
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Bluewings    RE:Mea Culpa   3/27/2006 9:34:05 PM
The Chauchat . Personaly , I always hated the AA-52 . Sh*t heavy , always jammed , not very accurate ... basically a nightmare to use , but when it works it can cut a Jeep in half . link Cheers .
 
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GOP    RE:Mea Culpa - BW   3/27/2006 10:05:37 PM
>>The Chauchat . Personaly , I always hated the AA-52 . Sh*t heavy , always jammed , not very accurate ... basically a nightmare to use , but when it works it can cut a Jeep in half . link Cheers .<< Sorry Frenchie, you are wrong...our weapon (the M16A1) is the worst. You Europeans are so biased :)
 
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