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Subject: If the US Marine Corps, and the French Foreign Legion had a battle, which side would win?
Republican    1/1/2006 4:03:01 AM
I think the Corps would win, but both sides are tough as nails.
 
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fall out    prediction as to how this will end up like...   1/1/2006 6:20:49 AM
flame! our side's better! flame! beat chest!! ;)
 
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Godofgamblers    theater?   1/1/2006 6:32:31 AM
whre is the confrontation taking place? if it's in africa, i would give the "home territory" edge to the French.
 
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JIMF    RE:prediction as to how this will end up like...   1/1/2006 10:59:30 AM
Well for starters the Marine Corps is a 3 division force, with its own air units, vastly outnumbering the Foreign Legion. A useless and provocative thread that only someone like GOG would support. Clear evidence of his New Year's resolution of making relations between the U.S. and France even worse.
 
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bunkerdestroyer    RE:If the US Marine Corps, and the French Foreign Legion had a battle, which side would win?   1/1/2006 6:53:18 PM
since usually the ffl historically ends up getting wipped out in its many famous battles, I think it would go to the USMC since their famous battles are always won. The FFL believes in death at all costs. USMC believes in ensuring they(FFL) are successfully.
 
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Godofgamblers    doomed   1/1/2006 7:42:27 PM
is that true, though, Bunkerdestroyer? you're right: every film has some defending some lost fort in the desert (why bother defending it in the first place, no one knows) and fighting to the last man against arab masses. but is there any truth to this myth, i wonder?
 
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longrifle    RE:doomed   1/1/2006 11:00:34 PM
If I say something in the forest, and my wife's not around to hear, am I still wrong?
 
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AussieEngineer    RE:doomed   1/2/2006 8:35:42 AM
what is the sound of one woman ranting?
 
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Carl S    RE:Rant & Legionares   1/2/2006 1:38:33 PM
More than I care for. Choose the current spouse as she cools off quickly. The hsitorical reality is the FFL was used in some operationaly and tactically challenging situations. And many of these led to heavy casualties. The entertainment industry (novels & stage plays drew from this too) used the rep.. for its own spectacle. Camerone was the most spectacular of these. There were also some isolated FFL companys in the Rif War in the 1920s that were hammered badly. The discipline of the FFL made ideal for these high risk tactical ventures. Battalion vs battalion I'd say the outcome would depend on the skill of the commanders as aggregate fighting ability would not be dissimilar.
 
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bunkerdestroyer    RE:doomed   1/2/2006 3:06:23 PM
Gog..... one thing that hasnt been addressed is the fact, that while both services are volunteers, most of the FFL is -Foreign....thus, one would have to question loyality to their fellow brother....I assume it is high in the FFL, but unlike an all american unit, One might still have to question....does the Morracan soldier or Nepalese, or Congoese, or Norweigan legionaire care the same for their fellow brother as would a fellow marine? This has alot to do with a units ability to survive in less then austere conditions. When faced with an overwhelming enemy, I think the FFL was wipped out most of the time. The few Marine examples-(unlike the majority of FFL)Wake-they surrenedered after bloodying the Japensee to fight another die. So, while their culture may think it is cool to fight to the death in a hopless cause, I would think its better to live to fight another day.... In addition, the FFL was known for ananimity and fighting to the death....What about prowness? ability? Its nice they like to fight or are havens for criminals, but what about their ability to win? I am not sure about their record for winning and effectiveness-if anyone can help, But I am sure about the Marine's record-esp at places like KHE SAHN
 
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Grenadier Voltigeur    RE:doomed   1/2/2006 6:02:40 PM
Legionares have a strong code of honor and the sense of discipline. They are a brotherhood, don't care about race or nationality.
 
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GOP    RE:If the US Marine Corps, and the French Foreign Legion had a battle, which side would win?   1/2/2006 6:53:46 PM
Not another one...
 
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GOP    RE:If the US Marine Corps, and the French Foreign Legion had a battle, which side would win?   1/2/2006 7:06:42 PM
Let me go ahead and end this one : )... The US Marine Corps has 172,000 soldiers, about 2,000 M1 Abrams tanks, another 1,000 or 2,000 LAVs and other armored fighting vehicles, they have their own Air assets, and they are a self-sustaining force. The Legion has at most 10,000-15,000 soldiers, some helos, and possibly a few armored vehicles. We all know that the FFL is highly trained and loyal, but I don't think their high-speed training gives them the ability to fight the entire US Marine Corps. Battalion to Battalion, the Corps is still too heavy for the FFL to defeat... Same holds true all the way down the line, the Corps simply has too much firepower. The MAGTF setup is going to be extremely hard for anyone to beat
 
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Godofgamblers    bunkerdestroyer   1/2/2006 7:29:00 PM
i don't think loyalty is an issue, as GV has said. they are known for their solidarity, despite the various nationalities in the corps, as you mentioned.
 
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Godofgamblers    GOP: question   1/2/2006 8:19:03 PM
are you sure about the figure of 2,000 tanks for the MC? that's more than most countries! don't you mean 200?
 
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Carl S    RE:GOP: question   1/2/2006 8:40:08 PM
2,000 tanks was defiently a typo. more like 150+- in three battalions.
 
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