What if the USA vs. European Union, Russia, and China?

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Nichevo Although, 1/19/2009 5:25:21 AM

Herald, this Parmenion attracts my attention. I am trying to classify his flavor of troll.

I wonder if a worthwhile paper could be written on Russian and Chinese trolls as a manifestation of Internet disinformation campaigns. I trust you've noticed how any damn site that posts on any controversy, like Ukraine, Georgia, Tibet, Taiwan, whatever, invariably attracts one or more shall we say advocati diabolii. Is there a pattern and what to do about it, yada yada yada.

Hey, we could try a thread on that. Where would you put that under? HTMW - Intelligence?

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HERALD1357 I started a UCAS thrtead that was derailed. 1/19/2009 6:58:43 AM

I haven't said much about 70 mm rockets because it isn't really something that excites me.

I had a conversation going with Aussiegunneragain about STANDARD missiles but then it started to drift into stuff I can't talk about except in the most general way.

There isn't anything in the way of rocketry except for the ARES program which NASA busily screws up.

Rafale is a bust and I'm still waiting for the LockMart thieves toenter the main phase the Sparky's test program.

If you want to talk about why SP draws the trolls and nuts we have to be careful because there are forum rules and decorum we must observe.

My current subject I would like to discuss would be the Program Executive Office of the US Navy and the cesspool of incompetence its turning into, but there again, we have to skirt so many issues....

Its frustrating.

Herald

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Nichevo 1/19/2009 2:48:31 PM

I haven't said much about 70 mm rockets because it isn't really something that excites me.

I am interested in any competition to bring down the price of smart munitions. When we're down to $1000 a shot we'll have something.

I had a conversation going with Aussiegunneragain about STANDARD missiles but then it started to drift into stuff I can't talk about except in the most general way.

I see...could go private if you like. Was wondering about illum sources and the OTH issue. And again, the cost issue; price of Standard vs Harpoon or other AShM solutions. We're not gold-plated, we alternate between osmium and rhodium..

There isn't anything in the way of rocketry except for the ARES program which NASA busily screws up.

Hmm, how about the Jupiter Direct alternative I've heard discussed - slightest possible mods of proofed Shuttle bits? Of course, this is all filler till we come up with proper SSTO.

Rafale is a bust and I'm still waiting for the LockMart thieves toenter the main phase the Sparky's test program.

If JSF goes tits-up then Houston, we will have a problem. That is worth discussing if you see red lights.

If you want to talk about why SP draws the trolls and nuts we have to be careful because there are forum rules and decorum we must observe.

Not just SP, Herald! Anywhere that has comments. Like The Independent on Russia-Ukraine gas issue coverage.It's like tag-team, one two or three guys coming in and laying down the Party line with various degrees of sweet reason or otherwise. I see a fair-sized trend, and wonder whether it is organized, or perhaps "dis-organized" in the modern 4GW way.

My current subject I would like to discuss would be the Program Executive Office of the US Navy and the cesspool of incompetence its turning into, but there again, we have to skirt so many issues....

Its frustrating.

Herald

Always ready to hear whatever you can let slip out...Best N

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Softwar Fin 1/19/2009 3:51:44 PM

Silly thread... I mean if you are going to post a scenario at least get one with a reasonable set of parameters - why not the USA v. Antarctica fighting in the North Pole on the icecaps? Still...

China - calling in its US debts - and taking the US on in combat - finds itself with 500 million unemployed (since no one is buying their cheap exports), without power (seeing as how a simple US Naval blockade prevents oil from reaching China) and soon becomes locked in civil war.

Russia - the armed forces are so weak that Chechan rebels topple the Moscow government after a week of fighting. The Russian navy sinks itself or remains rusting in port without fuel. The Russian Air Force bombs mostly its own troops and civilians - adding to the confusion.

The EU surrenders after 2 hours led by France....

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Communismfail 1/20/2009 11:21:43 AM

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ChapWithAhat 1/21/2009 4:54:14 PM

I believe this scenario would play out mostly like this. Since you mentioned all the worlds top powers this is none other than world war Three.

Europe: Europe would be divided and the EU, NATO would disband, Britain would be on the American side. However I believe Germany would side with the Russians, since Russia feeds the Europeans their energy ultimately holding all of Europe hostage. Eastern Europe would definitely be the battle field along with France and Spain. Italy would also side with the Russians. (The Pope would flee the Vatican and head for Britain and then America.)

Russia: Russia still no doubt the 2nd strongest military power on earth would be the only major problem for America. Like I said Russia would no doubt hold Europe(Germany, France, Italy) hostage and have a playing field in eastern Europe. Russia would also move its major strategic forces to counter US attempts on its territory or its sphere. At the same time absorbing at a cost the successful strikes. Russia would also move into Central Asia and the Caucasus region to establish a buffer zone against Allied Forces in the middle east. The Eastern front would be left mostly to the Chinese and North Koreans.

China: With its massive man power China and North Korea would overrun South Korea, Taiwan and South East Asia

unless they already didn't throw down their arms and join them. Japan would be fighting the Chinese until a stalemate or Japan revolutionizes and forms its old military power with whatever means necessary. I even suspect Japan of turning towards the Russia/China Alliance. Besides an attempt to steal Russian territory if the war goes bad for Russia, it would still be a failed attempt. And lastly India. If India enters the war then fighting would break out in the Himalayas. and their playing field would have to be South East Asia, and maybe even central Asia if....

India: One of the world strongest Democracy. One of the oldest civilizations. A mere copy of China yet so vastly different.

India would have to sit this out but as I suspect this would lead to the middle east forming into two camps and challenging the stability in that region. India would have to move its forces against Chinese attempts at its Territory's in the Himalayas, the East and from an unstable Pakistan. leaving India surrounded and a sitting duck to only battle and hope of overrunning their border enemy into their own backyards and so on. However from that point on it is unlikely that they would pursue further military operations.

Middle East: The middle east.... what can I say that would already not be known. This region would be a major battle field. Israel

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Nichevo 1/21/2009 10:41:41 PM

I daresay we could arm, train, supply India. Pak needs to be onside from the viewpoint of location, location, location. I don't see how anyone dominates us in the ME. Iran is going to let Russia tromp all over it? Not so sure.

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EvilChinese 3/16/2009 1:07:21 AM

We evil Chinese will stop producing IPods to drive all American teenagers crazy!

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afrikan_neekeri 3/17/2009 4:41:19 PM

We evil Chinese will stop producing IPods to drive all American teenagers crazy!

The Chinese ARE evil.

But yeah, what a crazy scenario. And the whole description is too inaccurate.

That would be over a half of the world's GDP going to war against each other so it wouldn't be good for the global economy I guess. That's all I can say given the information Republican provided.

But seriously, reading the first post makes my brain hurt. Last time I checked there was still NATO and most european countries would rather go to war against Russia allied with the US than vice versa. And I doubt that PRC would be too enthusiastic to go to war against its largest trading partner, allied to that unpredictable and not-always-as-friendly neighbour in the north.

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Arklight 3/25/2009 6:03:12 PM

This is a little unfair in my book, the EU would be more than enough to destroy the US because they would be strangled by lack of trade and weapon for weapon those found in the EU are arguably better, Eurofighter Typhoon>F-22, Challenger 2/Leopard> Abrams, A280 best rifle in the world belongs to British etc etc, oh and the super submarine, the Astute which is British as well.

I think the combined fleets of the EU would crush the Naval forces of the USA, sure their enormous but when youve got a submarine like the astute that can track New York from the English channel, you cant win in the water, the Astute are also incredible at hunting other subs, combine that with the other weapons and the US despite their large forces would be tactically outmanouvered. Although I wouldnt be surprised if we sneaky Brits used our secret services and SAS to tamper with US nukes and remove their nuclear power.

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