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Subject: Comparison between the Navies of India and China
mithradates    11/26/2005 5:26:04 PM
Navy Comparison: There have been much talk of India's navy being a "blue water" navy. Or that it's stronger than the navy of China. I've decided to do a detailed comparison between the two navies and find out which nation holds the quantitative and qualitative advantages. This is just looking at CURRENT inventory counts for both countries. All vessels listed are either deployed or at least in sea trials. Vessels that are under construction, in refit in 3rd countries, projected to be built, or still in purchase negotiations from 3rd countries are not counted(due to them not actually being in the navy). Additionally, those vessels whose technology is from the late 1980s(Western Level) and above is considered "modern". This is because under competant crews, such vessels can pose a significant threat to western vessels of the same class. Here's what I found for India: Aircraft Carriers Centaur Class 1 in service Guided-Missile Destroyers: 8 (3 modern) Type 15 Delhi Class: 3 Rajput {Kashin II}:5 Guided-Missile Frigates Project 17: 9 (3 Modern) Type 16 Godavari Class: 3 Krivak III Class: 3 Type 16A Brahmaputra Class: 3 Guided-Missile Corvettes Project 28: 21 ( 4 modern ) Type 25A Kora Class: 4 Type 25 Khukri Class: 4 Veer Class: 13 link Here's their sub fleet... Diesel Electric Subs (12 Modern) Foxtrot Class:2 Kilo Class: 9(9 modern, 1 being refitted in Ukraine) HDW 209: 3(3 modern, 1 being refitted in Germany) link So for India: 1 carrier 8 missile Destroyers (3 modern) 9 missile Frigates (3 modern) 21 missile Corvettes (4 modern) 14 Diesel Subs (12 modern) Here's what I found for China: Air defence missile destroyers: (4 modern) Type 052C: 2 (Indigenous(stolen) Phased Array Radar) Type 052B: 2 (Russian Phased Array Radar) Guided-Missile Destroyers: 28 (11 modern) Sovremenny class: 2 (2 modern) TYPE 051B: 1 (1 modern) Type 052: 2 (2 modern) Type 051G: 6 (6 modern) Type 051: 17 link Air Defense Missle Frigates: 2 (2 modern): Type 054: 2(2 modern) Guided-Missile Frigates: 41 (21 modern) : Type 053H2G: 12 (12 modern) Type 053H1G: 6 (12 modern) Type 053H2: 3 (3 modern) Type 053H: 20 link Guided-Missile Corvettes: 67 (15 modern): Type 2208(stealthy Catamaran vessel): 3 (3 modern) Type 520T: 5 (5 modern) Type 037-II: 19 (7 modern after mid 90s refit) Type 021: ~40 link Nuclear Submarines : 8 (2 modern) Type 094: 1 (1 modern in sea trials) Type 093: 1 (1 modern in sea trials) Type 092: 1 Type 091: 5 AIP Submarines: 2 (2 modern) Type 040(Yuan): 2 (2 modern, 1 in sea trials) Diesel Electric Submarines: 63 ( 22 modern ) Kilo Class: 7 (7 modern) Type 039(Song): 9 (9 modern) Type 035(Ming): 17 (6 modern Type 035Gs) Type 033(Romeo): 30 link Thus here's the comparison between India's and China's respective navies: Carrier: India: 1 China: 0 Modern Air defence missile destroyers: China: 4 India: 0 Modern Guided missile Destroyers: China: 21 India: 3 Second Line Guided missile Destroyers: China: 17 India: 5 Modern Air defence missile frigates: China: 2 India: 0 Modern Guided-Missile Frigates: China: 21 India: 3 Second Line Guided-Missile Frigates: China: 20 India: 6 Modern Guided Missile Corvettes: China: 15 India: 4 Second Line Guided Missile Corvettes: China: 52 India: 17 Modern Nuclear Subs: China: 2 India: 0 Second Line Nuclear Subs: China: 6 India: 0 AIP Subs: China: 2 India: 0 Modern Diesel electric Subs: China: 22 India: 12 Second Line Diesel electric subs: China: 41 India: 2 Aside from India's single aircraft carrier, the PLAN seems to have a significant advantage over the Indian navy in both QUANTITY and QUALITY.
 
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displacedjim    RE:Reality Check for Myth-Radates   12/2/2005 2:00:53 PM
Returned from the grave Displacedjim
 
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displacedjim    RE:Chinese Strategic and Tactical Challanges....part II   12/2/2005 2:11:11 PM
"displacedjim, I think that both sides were simulatingf fictional weapons. I doubt they used semiactive AAM. Also the MKI were not involved in 04 and Mirages didn't simulate MICA. So the article should be read with a pinch of salt IMHO." -- DBG ---- I agree that both sides were simulating fictional, or notional, weapons. However, I am certain that the article is correct that the USAF F-15s were limited to only being able to use a notional semi-active radar guided AAM, while at least the IAF Su-30K had a simulated notional active radar guided AAM. In addition, while the M2000 may not have had simulated MICA, I am pretty sure they also had the simulated notional active radar AAMs. Also, the article clearly points out that the IAF did **not** use their Su-30MKI, and the whole article matches perfectly with what I know from independent sources, so in my opinion it does not require any seasonings. Displacedjim P.S. I note that out of this morning's screw-up with the post numberings that several posts to this thread were deleted, including my original attempt at this post that I'm now reconstructing and posting again. This leads me to conclude that the whole foul-up is related to one or more stupid f*&@ing b^&*$rds from either China or India or both who either can't debate rationally and/or who can't stand to see free speech in action. In any event, whoever was the cause of it: F&@% you! Displacedjim
 
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