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Subject: Women in the special forces?
SgtQuiosegagne    8/10/2005 12:38:11 AM
Currently few armies allow women in special forces units. Some do allow them for intel for example, but what about jobs like assaults, sabotage, etc...? What's your opinion about it?
 
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Yimmy       3/7/2008 5:09:20 PM
I'm not saying this to be mean, but you really would be doing yourself a big favour if you thought about other things you might enjoy doing once you leave education.
 
Your not going to be a sniper.  I don't know how America works with females in combat arms, but I guesstimate that you won't be allowed on any sniper course through the infantry.  If you were to get into some special forces unit which recruites females (which certainly is no small challenge), I also seriously doubt they would put you on a sniper course, when there are other roles you would be of greater use in (being one of the few females, compared to many blokes who can be used for the sniper thing).  Simply, the odds are so far stacked against you that you may as well look to more realistic options. 
 
The best advice I could give would be to join the National Guard and get a taste for it first.  Join an infantry unit as a medic or something.  From there you would be in a good position to find out what options are open to you, while doing university or whatever at the same time.
 
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hitwoman09       3/7/2008 8:27:17 PM

I'm not saying this to be mean, but you really would be doing yourself a big favour if you thought about other things you might enjoy doing once you leave education.

 

Your not going to be a sniper.  I don't know how America works with females in combat arms, but I guesstimate that you won't be allowed on any sniper course through the infantry.  If you were to get into some special forces unit which recruites females (which certainly is no small challenge), I also seriously doubt they would put you on a sniper course, when there are other roles you would be of greater use in (being one of the few females, compared to many blokes who can be used for the sniper thing).  Simply, the odds are so far stacked against you that you may as well look to more realistic options. 

 

The best advice I could give would be to join the National Guard and get a taste for it first.  Join an infantry unit as a medic or something.  From there you would be in a good position to find out what options are open to you, while doing university or whatever at the same time.


I know it's not realistic, thats why im going to college for pre-med. While im in school I plan on being a part of the USAFROTC. Im planing other stuff, but that's still what I would love to do. 
 
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ens. jack    My Opinion   3/12/2008 3:25:04 PM
I'm just putting out my own, unexperienced, semi-chauvinistic opinion. Someone else may have said the thought, but I skipped about 50 percent of the responses because I get tired of hearing you guys badmouth each other.
 
My opinion is simple, no women should be in combat rioles, period. No exceptions. I base this mostly off of the concept of escalation. In the US, all males register for the draft at 18. We let women into combat roles, and after twenty years (the next time a draft happens) and pretty soon an entire middle generation is overseas. I don't say wiped out because most will return. But what to? with no one between 18 and 30 left on the home front you're going to have problems, and lots of them.
 
My other reasoning is just old school chauvinism. I don't think women should stay in the kitchen, but somethings are just mens work, not because of ability, but because of the nature of the work.
 
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ker       3/12/2008 10:32:34 PM



I'm not saying this to be mean, but you really would be doing yourself a big favour if you thought about other things you might enjoy doing once you leave education.


 


Your not going to be a sniper.  I don't know how America works with females in combat arms, but I guesstimate that you won't be allowed on any sniper course through the infantry.  If you were to get into some special forces unit which recruites females (which certainly is no small challenge), I also seriously doubt they would put you on a sniper course, when there are other roles you would be of greater use in (being one of the few females, compared to many blokes who can be used for the sniper thing).  Simply, the odds are so far stacked against you that you may as well look to more realistic options. 


 


The best advice I could give would be to join the National Guard and get a taste for it first.  Join an infantry unit as a medic or something.  From there you would be in a good position to find out what options are open to you, while doing university or whatever at the same time.



I know it's not realistic, thats why im going to college for pre-med. While im in school I plan on being a part of the USAFROTC. Im planing other stuff, but that's still what I would love to do. 
 
How are you with languages?  What if you get a degree and EMT training  then go to a large police force on the way to the FBI?  I hear they have guns.  
 
Just a brain ricoshay. 
 


 
 
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theBird       3/12/2008 10:42:58 PM
As long as the females meet the SAME physical standards as the men i don't see a problem.  And by SAME I mean the same run times, rucking standards, etc, none of the female time of 16:00 minute two mile is the same as a 13:00 minute mens 2 mile stuff that is on the regular PT test.

This sort of requirement should eliminate any of the "female problems" issues with women in combat; any women who meets the male standards will probably stop mensturating due to lack of body fat and other stresses.  This will probably wreck havoc on her health down to road and may even prevent her from ever having kids, but won't affect anything that the Military is concerned about.

 
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theBird       3/12/2008 10:54:38 PM
Why applying the same standard is important

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hitwoman09       3/13/2008 10:17:55 PM







I'm not saying this to be mean, but you really would be doing yourself a big favour if you thought about other things you might enjoy doing once you leave education.




 




Your not going to be a sniper.  I don't know how America works with females in combat arms, but I guesstimate that you won't be allowed on any sniper course through the infantry.  If you were to get into some special forces unit which recruites females (which certainly is no small challenge), I also seriously doubt they would put you on a sniper course, when there are other roles you would be of greater use in (being one of the few females, compared to many blokes who can be used for the sniper thing).  Simply, the odds are so far stacked against you that you may as well look to more realistic options. 




 




The best advice I could give would be to join the National Guard and get a taste for it first.  Join an infantry unit as a medic or something.  From there you would be in a good position to find out what options are open to you, while doing university or whatever at the same time.





I know it's not realistic, thats why im going to college for pre-med. While im in school I plan on being a part of the USAFROTC. Im planing other stuff, but that's still what I would love to do. 

 

How are you with languages?  What if you get a degree and EMT training  then go to a large police force on the way to the FBI?  I hear they have guns.  

 

Just a brain ricoshay. 

 



 

I only speak a little Spanish right now. Im dyeing to learn Russian, Italian, finish my French, Japanese, Chinese,  and German. Wooh...Long list. I'm not a kid that gets in trouble with the law or anything but I tend to have trust issues with police. FBI? Thats what my parents said! But then again my mum did work for the FBI when she was 19. so young! The scary thing is that she can shoot a gun. And well, might I add.

 
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ker       3/14/2008 10:04:13 PM












I'm not saying this to be mean, but you really would be doing yourself a big favour if you thought about other things you might enjoy doing once you leave education.






 






Your not going to be a sniper.  I don't know how America works with females in combat arms, but I guesstimate that you won't be allowed on any sniper course through the infantry.  If you were to get into some special forces unit which recruites females (which certainly is no small challenge), I also seriously doubt they would put you on a sniper course, when there are other roles you would be of greater use in (being one of the few females, compared to many blokes who can be used for the sniper thing).  Simply, the odds are so far stacked against you that you may as well look to more realistic options. 






 






The best advice I could give would be to join the National Guard and get a taste for it first.  Join an infantry unit as a medic or something.  From there you would be in a good position to find out what options are open to you, while doing university or whatever at the same time.







I know it's not realistic, thats why im going to college for pre-med. While im in school I plan on being a part of the USAFROTC. Im planing other stuff, but that's still what I would love to do. 


 


How are you with languages?  What if you get a degree and EMT training  then go to a large police force on the way to the FBI?  I hear they have guns.  


 


Just a brain ricoshay. 


 




 


I only speak a little Spanish right now. Im dyeing to learn Russian, Italian, finish my French, Japanese, Chinese,  and German. Wooh...Long list. I'm not a kid that gets in trouble with the law or anything but I tend to have trust issues with police. FBI? Thats what my parents said! But then again my mum did work for the FBI when she was 19. so young! The scary thing is that she can shoot a gun. And well, might I add.


You will find a role.  The funny thing is that when I was your age  (It kills me to use that phrase but you already made me feel old with "Thats what my parents said!") they were telling us that on average we would each work in seven deferent careers and that some of them hadn't be invented yet.  Sadly I'm proving them right. 
 
If I may be so bold, learn the skills and vision of the teams you admire and don't sweat the membership.  Interesting things will happen.
 
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hitwoman09       3/15/2008 11:24:22 AM
Don't feel old! My parents are in their 50's, my dads almost 60.

 My best friend, her dad is an ex-marine so we harass him to tell us stuff that could help us in the military. He shows us some of the weirdest push-ups and other stuff. I've talked to him about the whole SpecOps thing and he told me about an Air Force medical group, whose name escapes me, that has some crazy training. I really want to do something medical since Im not gonna be a sniper and I really like what he was saying about the group. It really bugs me I can't remember what they are called! Point being; for now I'm really locked on that.
 
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kensohaski       3/18/2008 5:53:07 PM

Never trust anything that bleeds and lives.Besides God gave them smaller feet so they could stand closer to the sink and stove.

I love it! 
 
In any event women should be allowed to do the job if they are up to the physical standards.  They fly fast jets and helos here in the US.
 
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