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Subject: How rank France in world power?
french stratege    4/23/2005 9:33:41 PM
o be a world power means to master a number of power tools and capacities: Economic power: France have fourth largest economy in world, even UK GNP seems on a par.But in fact France has a slightly bigger GDP in Puchasing Power Parity, a stronguer industry as its share in GNP is bigger, and especially in military usable industry (automotive, steel, microelectronic ...). Its trade balnce is positive unless US and UK.We benefit of Euro in sense that in a crisis, Euro would not go down like pound.Our financial market is less sensitive to crisis than UK. Then our saving, gold and currencies reserves are higher. France has 43 companies in the WORLD FORTUNE 500 ranking, one more than Germany and much more than UK or Italy.For example UK industry is stronguer than France in prescription drug but you can not use that for war. War potential: US: 100; Japan: 55, Germany ,40, France 25, UK 20. Diplomatic influence: should I said that French diplomatic network is world class and second to US only (with better skills).That our foreign aid is higher than UK or US in GNP %? That we have VETO right in UNO? That our cultural influence is world second after US? Thank to our industry we can substitute to US or Russia to deliver to a friend the whole set of weapons INDEPENDANTLY (from airfighters to subs via tank or C4ISR) and can shift power balance in any area.WE ARE THE SECOND WESTERN INDEPENDANT SUPPLIER AFTER US FOR CAPACITIES. We are the only Euro nation to have the full INDEPENDANT world reco network which is second to USA. RECO satellites, Telecom satellites (bandwith second to US), ELINT satellites, DSP satellites (in 2008), METEO satellites, spy ships, 30 ELINT ground station in word with 2 dedicated to spy US satelites, SPACE SURVEILLANCE RADAR. An unkown assets is that we are the only nation with US which can produce any currencies in world (to make false money in perfect imitation - we are the best in Europe for money technology) Sensitivity to energy imports: Our oil company is fourth in world and we have ROBUST assets in non middle east areas like Gabon, Angola etc...We produce our oil industry heavy equipment and our industry is world second of US in this field. Our nuclear energy production is world second in world and give us independance on electricity.Our influence in Africa secure minerals imports. Sensitivity to embargo: France has world class semiconductors facilities and hold the more advanced Europe wafer fab (joint venture between Motorola, SGS Thomson and Philips). Our auto maker build 7,5 million car /year, we have Airbus main designed office in France and so on...Our industry is pretty well balanced and produce almost everything at world class. Then we are the only Euro nation with a launch pad and Euro leader in Space.So we do not depend on US or other nation. We produce the second set of weapons after US and we do not depend of any supplier. Military technology: we are mastering everything form nukes to C4ISR with a technological level recognised by US as world second (while UK is close after).Of course neither Japan, Germany or China enjoy such an advantage. Nukes: our nuclear force are world THIRD and we produce precise counterforce weapons INDEPENDANTLY.Good second strike ability.400 warheads vs 200 for UK.(and we have stored weapons we can reactivate).3 SSBN can strike anywhere in the world. Military skills: our war academy is renown with US and UK.Israelis send some generals to perfectionate. Should I remember that Saudia Arabia asked French to crush rebellion in Mecka and not to US or UK?Saudis special forces and military stalled two weeks before asking France help.We did it in two days with 70 commandos leading Saudi commando (and using combat nerve gaz killing 2000 rebels). Mitary capacities. Second world force projection from 2007 to 2012 as a single Cdg with 3E2C and 40 Rafales, protected by 19 frigates with top ASW, 6 SSN and 3 Horizon with ASTER 30 outperform anything UK have: Indeed UK has 2 ACTIVE small carriers (with limited self protection and 60 harriers), they will not have any BVR fighters with FA2 retirement, and not antiship capacity since Harrier GR7/9 have NO RADAR!! UK air force has an handfull of non operational EF supported by 63 old Tornado ADV.No medium range airdefense for their troops. They have more SSN (soon reduced to 8 only) and military transport but we rely on civilian military prepared transports from french companies and our overseas bases to accumulate locally . ONLY US, UK, Russia and Japan has a sub force strong enough to put in danger our fleet. In fact we can crush any OPFOR airforce of 100 SU27/Mig29 (plus old MIGS or SU) without AWAC, ONLY relying on Cdg (even I agree a second would be better and needed). Most of nation do not have ENOUGH YAKHONT equivalent missiles to crush our naval force until our second carrier is operational. UK is unable to do that and in 2010 only 4 T45 will have entered service
 
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french stratege    gxxx   4/26/2005 7:28:45 PM
Gxxx: I recommand you to go to site link a german site and by far the most accurate you can find on internet of numbers and models.See on left side areas then countries.Numbers are easily understood. Very minor error (like 331 Mistral for France while it is the number of launch pad for active force - number of round procured excess 6000). Some system like Tiger is at 10 number, but 8 more delivered this year. But it give good overviews. I will start by middle east with Egypt, Saudis. I have a lot of work so my next post will be tomorrow. To give you answers now, our departure base will be: Egypt : Djibouti (main airforce bases) and Chad (main airforce bases) , landing in red sea or west egypt. Saudi: Djibouti (main airforce bases) then Landing. We will use our air force in both case of course. We will use full strenghts. - I remember that French systems delivered to OPFOR are easily jammed. - France take initiative.So no attack on our predeploiement bases: war not declared yet (same like US in Koweit). - If OPFOR strike first and opening hostilities then we use legitimitaly nukes if necessary (our base are in our vital interest circle).We will not use binary gaz or nukes. Take your maps!
 
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gixxxerking    RE:gxxx   4/26/2005 7:47:35 PM
OK lets take it a step at a time. Egypt or Saudi Arabia? And tomorrow is good for a response as I have to do some research as well to make my defense realistic. Also I reserve the right to pre-emption IF you enter exclusive economic zone or enter air space. If you choose to retaliate with nukes then so be it.
 
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Godofgamblers    FS/Gixx showdown   4/26/2005 8:25:30 PM
man, the tension is killing me...
 
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JIMF    RE:FS/Gixx showdown-GOG   4/26/2005 8:44:21 PM
I recommend that you try to have a good time before the Armageddon Twins return to decimate the planet.
 
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Godofgamblers    RE:FS/Gixx showdown-GOG   4/26/2005 9:27:04 PM
the world will never be the same...
 
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Worcester    RE:France as No.1 Civilisation?-Herc   4/26/2005 10:08:09 PM
Just a few points:- 1.) A380, shame it's not French - actually Germano-Franco-Anglo-Spanish-Italian, and Airbus is owned by EADS, a Dutch registered publis company. 2.) Alcohol: you forgot Italy. 3.) Food: again you forgot Italy. 4.) Art: the UK stole most of it..and where do you think the Louvre got theirs? Conquests of war, Louis XIVth & Napoleon anyone? Have you ever visited Florence or Venice or Rome? Galileo, Michelangelo ring a bell? Or been to the Rijks Museum in Amsterdam? "Grand Masters" like van Gogh ring a bell. MUSIC (which you forgot): Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Bach (the EU National Anthem), Wagner all German; Russian: Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky. PHILOSOPHY: UK: Hobbes ("Leviathan"), Locke, Mill ("free will" anyone?), Thom. Paine ("The Rights of Man", 1770), Adam Smith ("The Wealth of Nations", 1776); you can even add Karl Marx since he did his work in London. Germany: Nitzsche, etc., etc., etc. France: many, including Voltaire who strangely was a great fan of the England of Locke, Paine, etc. - said it was "the most perfect society" - strange juxtaposition today since we in the US made many of these ideas work. GENERAL ACADEMIC: Scores of them, but how is it Oxford and Cambridge still have more Nobel Laureates than all of the other European Universities COMBINED. 5.) Beautiful city: Venice, Florence, Rome (guess the Italians win again), Paris, Vienna, Montreux, Interlaken, Istanbul, Agra, Luxor, London, Manhattan (nothing else in the US; our cities are stunningly boring!), and many, many more, all way ahead of provincial little San Fran on the edge of nowhere (pretty harbor, and you've got hills! Nice!) I know everywhere is a long way from you but a weekend in Paris doesn't scratch the surface..... etc., etc. and for... 10.) Technology....oh, please! Ever tried to use Minitel? It's why their internet is so backward. See Nobel Laureate's above; also checkout the largest VC mkt and largest tech mkt in Europe; yup, both in London; and while you're there check out Autonomy Corp or ARM Holdings who own the patents on most of the worlds chip sets. And then how about Nokia (Finland), Ericsson (Sweden) or Siemens or Infineon (Germany) or Philips (Holland). The tech company FS bangs on about is ST Micro, a mere sub-contractor to Nokia; Infineon and Philips produce more chip sets. 11.) Acheivement in secular democracy. Voltaire didn't think so. And most European nations havent had a military coup d'etat in their recent past, had their President facing corruption charges (Chirac 2001 "Presidential exemption"), the Nazis get 20% in a Presidential election (2002, remember Le Pen?) or tried to ban head-scarves; you think Sweden or Switzerland or Netherlands or the UK arent secular democracies? You really need to get out more.
 
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Bluewings    RE:France as No.1 Civilisation?-Herc   4/26/2005 11:51:59 PM
Quote : "the Nazis get 20% in a Presidential election (2002, remember Le Pen?)" ??? Not being French and not knowing what is happening in France , you 'll better keep your mouth shut Worcester instead of claiming that 10 Millions of French men/women are nazis . Think before to type ... Cheers .
 
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gixxxerking    Bluewings vs Worcester   4/27/2005 1:06:56 AM
Worcester: link link link vs Bluewings: link "Quote : "the Nazis get 20% in a Presidential election (2002, remember Le Pen?)" ??? Not being French and not knowing what is happening in France , you 'll better keep your mouth shut Worcester instead of claiming that 10 Millions of French men/women are nazis . Think before to type ... Cheers ." --Bluerwings You decide
 
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Norvicension    RE:France as No.1 Civilisation?-Herc   4/27/2005 3:31:58 AM
Speaking of France as a civilisation in its own right strikes me as a little odd. Surely France is just one component of a pan-european civilisation? A significant component definitely, but still just a small part of the whole. For your list of French achievements, you certainly make a good case for France being preeminent among nations, however you left music off your list; 'Classical' music; Germany/Austria rule supreme - Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Handel, Beethoven, Telemann, Brahms, Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Schonberg and Hindemith are all German. France, Britain, Italy and Russia all have their representatives here but none can rival the German monopoly. 'Pop' music; the 'Anglo-Saxons' take the crown - too many bands/artists to name originate from the US/UK/Oz. Who can name a world-famous French artist/band? (You can't have Celine Dion) Others are better placed than I to debate the rest of your argument. Many regards Norvicension.
 
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Mac2    RE:France as No.1 Civilisation?-Herc   4/27/2005 6:42:02 AM
French Stratege.....ur a TWAT.......and your the only person who belives all the innacurate statistics in your original post....why dont you just accept that NOBODY CARES about France anymore, your an irrelevance.....the louder you shout, the more self concious and insecure about your countrys place in the world, you appear to be....just accept the fact that world has moved on, and left France in its wake long ago...Europe has had its day in the sun, its now time for Asia and the Americas to dominate world affairs...they dont give a damn about France...your country is a 'has been' and never 'will be' again....
 
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