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Subject: How rank France in world power?
french stratege    4/23/2005 9:33:41 PM
o be a world power means to master a number of power tools and capacities: Economic power: France have fourth largest economy in world, even UK GNP seems on a par.But in fact France has a slightly bigger GDP in Puchasing Power Parity, a stronguer industry as its share in GNP is bigger, and especially in military usable industry (automotive, steel, microelectronic ...). Its trade balnce is positive unless US and UK.We benefit of Euro in sense that in a crisis, Euro would not go down like pound.Our financial market is less sensitive to crisis than UK. Then our saving, gold and currencies reserves are higher. France has 43 companies in the WORLD FORTUNE 500 ranking, one more than Germany and much more than UK or Italy.For example UK industry is stronguer than France in prescription drug but you can not use that for war. War potential: US: 100; Japan: 55, Germany ,40, France 25, UK 20. Diplomatic influence: should I said that French diplomatic network is world class and second to US only (with better skills).That our foreign aid is higher than UK or US in GNP %? That we have VETO right in UNO? That our cultural influence is world second after US? Thank to our industry we can substitute to US or Russia to deliver to a friend the whole set of weapons INDEPENDANTLY (from airfighters to subs via tank or C4ISR) and can shift power balance in any area.WE ARE THE SECOND WESTERN INDEPENDANT SUPPLIER AFTER US FOR CAPACITIES. We are the only Euro nation to have the full INDEPENDANT world reco network which is second to USA. RECO satellites, Telecom satellites (bandwith second to US), ELINT satellites, DSP satellites (in 2008), METEO satellites, spy ships, 30 ELINT ground station in word with 2 dedicated to spy US satelites, SPACE SURVEILLANCE RADAR. An unkown assets is that we are the only nation with US which can produce any currencies in world (to make false money in perfect imitation - we are the best in Europe for money technology) Sensitivity to energy imports: Our oil company is fourth in world and we have ROBUST assets in non middle east areas like Gabon, Angola etc...We produce our oil industry heavy equipment and our industry is world second of US in this field. Our nuclear energy production is world second in world and give us independance on electricity.Our influence in Africa secure minerals imports. Sensitivity to embargo: France has world class semiconductors facilities and hold the more advanced Europe wafer fab (joint venture between Motorola, SGS Thomson and Philips). Our auto maker build 7,5 million car /year, we have Airbus main designed office in France and so on...Our industry is pretty well balanced and produce almost everything at world class. Then we are the only Euro nation with a launch pad and Euro leader in Space.So we do not depend on US or other nation. We produce the second set of weapons after US and we do not depend of any supplier. Military technology: we are mastering everything form nukes to C4ISR with a technological level recognised by US as world second (while UK is close after).Of course neither Japan, Germany or China enjoy such an advantage. Nukes: our nuclear force are world THIRD and we produce precise counterforce weapons INDEPENDANTLY.Good second strike ability.400 warheads vs 200 for UK.(and we have stored weapons we can reactivate).3 SSBN can strike anywhere in the world. Military skills: our war academy is renown with US and UK.Israelis send some generals to perfectionate. Should I remember that Saudia Arabia asked French to crush rebellion in Mecka and not to US or UK?Saudis special forces and military stalled two weeks before asking France help.We did it in two days with 70 commandos leading Saudi commando (and using combat nerve gaz killing 2000 rebels). Mitary capacities. Second world force projection from 2007 to 2012 as a single Cdg with 3E2C and 40 Rafales, protected by 19 frigates with top ASW, 6 SSN and 3 Horizon with ASTER 30 outperform anything UK have: Indeed UK has 2 ACTIVE small carriers (with limited self protection and 60 harriers), they will not have any BVR fighters with FA2 retirement, and not antiship capacity since Harrier GR7/9 have NO RADAR!! UK air force has an handfull of non operational EF supported by 63 old Tornado ADV.No medium range airdefense for their troops. They have more SSN (soon reduced to 8 only) and military transport but we rely on civilian military prepared transports from french companies and our overseas bases to accumulate locally . ONLY US, UK, Russia and Japan has a sub force strong enough to put in danger our fleet. In fact we can crush any OPFOR airforce of 100 SU27/Mig29 (plus old MIGS or SU) without AWAC, ONLY relying on Cdg (even I agree a second would be better and needed). Most of nation do not have ENOUGH YAKHONT equivalent missiles to crush our naval force until our second carrier is operational. UK is unable to do that and in 2010 only 4 T45 will have entered service
 
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Bluewings    RE:Harm efficency on a fleet   5/9/2005 4:37:32 PM
HARM ~AGM-88~ : Primary Function: Air-to-surface anti-radiation missile; attack and destroy hostile radar installations. Contractor: Raytheon Power Plant: Thiokol dual-thrust, solid propellent, rocket motor Length: 13 feet, 8 inches (4.1 meters) Launch Weight: 800 pounds (360 kilograms) Diameter: 10 inches (25.4 centimeters) Wing Span: 3 feet, 8 inches (1.1 meters) Range: 80+ miles (57+ nautical miles/91+ km) Speed: 760+ mph (1,216 kmph) Guidance: radar homing Warhead: Blast fragmentation; warhead weight 150 pounds (68 kg) Unit Cost: $284,000 Date Deployed: 1985 "ARMs cannot be steered and under certain conditions may not guide on the target that they were originally fired. Also, they do not have the ability to discern friend from foe. Therefore, the precision detection capability of the launching platform and its human operator in the loop are key elements ensuring weapon effectiveness and the prevention of fratricide. The translation of what the launching aircraft sees to what the ARM sees is paramount. Several unique factors effect ARM employment. Most significant are the ambiguities in the radar frequency spectrum which cause friendly, enemy, and neutral radar emissions to appear similar. Ambiguities make accurate platform targeting and missile guidance difficult. These ambiguities will continue to worsen as the frequency spectrum becomes more dense and overcrowded. A limited amount of frequencies is suitable for radar operations, and as newer systems evolve, more emitters will overlap. In some instances, high target area activity in a dense emitter environment may cause pit task saturation and decrease targeting efficiency." --> which IS the case Gixxx . Furthermore , HARM is HIGHLY jammable due to its aquisition system itself . CONCLUSION : HARM attack on the FN is an odd bet who can go VERY wrong . Cheers .
 
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gixxxerking    RE:Gixxx : summary on naval battle -bluewings   5/9/2005 4:37:33 PM
LOL...by your words you dont know what your are talking about! link ONLY you and FS remain unconvinced! Good, winning a battle requires the loser to feel he has a chance so he can continue to commit the fatal error. Yes the naval issues are ended in and Egyptian victory.
 
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french stratege    RE:Harm efficency on a fleet read properly gxxx!   5/9/2005 4:40:41 PM
The ship moves : once a Harm is detected , radar can be shut down during 30 s and Harm will not hit the radar.More over this procedure will be of course use first on CdG You will say that ship will be unable to guide its missiles: False and it is why SENIT 8 (French networking system)is important: the missile can be guided by an other ship.You would need to shut down simultaneously all radars which is almost impossible.I worked in Thales Naval system before and I know my topic. - Crotale NG is mach 3,5 and a single launcher would fire many missiles as Harpoon is mach 0.8.More over a Crotale launcher can guide 2 missiles on two tagets (one with radar , one with EDIR FLIR) and it is why we have 8 missile on ramp.then our ships are also equiped with Mistral fire and forget : 6 missiles per laucher and can be reload in minutes. Then CIWS (100 mm or 30 mm) which can intercept 2 or 3 missiles, then jammer and decoys.This for an ASW frigate for exemple: link Lutte anti-aérienne 1 système Crotale EDIR - 8 missiles sur rampe + 18 en réserve 2 systèmes Sadral - 2 x 6 missiles Mistral 1 canon de 100mm CADAM 2 affûts de 30mm antiaérien Breda Mauser 2 affûts pour mitrailleuses de 12.7mm And Harm are blurred when EW spectrum is saturated by two much emitters. And its speed is mach 2 and range 50 km! not more! Why do you think US navy do not think to use Harm as primary weapon on ship but prefer to use harpoon!Esy to crush a fixed antenna of a single radar, not so easy to crush antenna moving in sea in dense EW jamming. - F16 are easy to replace: US would not deliver F16 in a war of Egypt vs France (since Egypt is the bad boy for murdering innocent tourists) and moreover a pilot eaten by fishes is unable to fight again!LOL! Of course if entire US air force is moving to Egypt then US pilots become Egyptians and an Egyptian flag is painted on it, France would not win , I can easily recognize it!!
 
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Bluewings    RE:Harm efficency on a fleet   5/9/2005 4:40:43 PM
Quote : "Give up man you are outclassed and its obvious." - Gixxx lol !! little dreamer .... Cheers .
 
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Bluewings    RE:Gixxx : summary on naval battle -bluewings   5/9/2005 4:43:27 PM
I NEVER said ~I quote you~ "I dont know what I am are talking about" . Another use of semantic from you , as usual ... Cheers .
 
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french stratege    RE:Gixxx : summary on naval battle -bluewings   5/9/2005 4:45:24 PM
You know gxxx: a single French can be right agaisnt the rest of world! You lost on naval issue admit it!Then we can go to Iran!
 
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Bluewings    RE:FS: summary on naval battle -bluewings   5/9/2005 4:49:14 PM
No FS ! WE ~you~ still have to do the Ground Battle ;-) Cheers .
 
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Bluewings    RE:FS: summary on naval battle -bluewings   5/9/2005 4:50:14 PM
Let 's finish off Egypt first . Cheers .
 
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Bluewings    RE:Gixx 's lies   5/9/2005 4:54:07 PM
Quote : "HARM come screaming in toward your fleet With a speed of Mach 4+" - Gixxx FACTS : HARM Speed : Speed: 760+ mph (1,216 kmph) ( Mach 1+) You 're a joker Gixxx .... Cheers .
 
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Jodhpur    RE:???--Bluewings   5/9/2005 4:56:33 PM
Bluewings says: How comes that so many people believe Egypt would stop France on the battlefield ?? Is it blindness , incredulity , unacceptance or simple bashing ?? I don 't get it ... WAKE UP ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why? Because: 1) Most of France?s expeditionary capability (note I said ?expeditionary?) is geared towards operations in sub-saharan countries. It is not geared to fight a major regional power on their home turf. Your proposed force composition including your one carrier cannot overcome a country like Egypt that has something like 170 F-16A/C/Ds, and has ground forces fielding M1Abrams, AH-64 Apaches, MLRS etc. 2) You are counting on a three month build-up in Chad. In the northeastern region of Chad they are no major roads or towns. The roads that may exist will not take tanks or anything above 40Ts, so you?ll be going cross-country. Nor will your tank transports be of any use. They are no roads on your proposed axis of advance. Enjoy the sand surfing, not to mention the unforeseen wonders the sandstorms will do for your optics and advanced fire-control systems over such an extended cross-desert route. Serviceability and maintenance issues? 3) Following the 3-month build-up you will undertake an amphibious landing on the Mediterranean coast. Your stated goal being to take Alexandria, Suez (and I believe you even said Cairo- lol!). Meanwhile, Egypt will in all likelihood have enlisted the aid of arab and muslim allies in the region such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria or Turkey. It?s not so far fetched considering past history U.A.R etc. Like I mentioned before, countries like Turkey may provide reconnaissance or early-warning facilities. They may even ?reflag? their military assets to Egypt as Gixx suggested. 4) What about the economic costs of the war. How are you going to pay for it? What will your EU partners think of your little Mediterranean romp? The ?campaign? against India was even more ridiculous; unfortunately I missed that one. So it?s not bashing. Personally, I quite like the French and their language: mais, arrête de rêver en couleurs!
 
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