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Subject: How rank France in world power?
french stratege    4/23/2005 9:33:41 PM
o be a world power means to master a number of power tools and capacities: Economic power: France have fourth largest economy in world, even UK GNP seems on a par.But in fact France has a slightly bigger GDP in Puchasing Power Parity, a stronguer industry as its share in GNP is bigger, and especially in military usable industry (automotive, steel, microelectronic ...). Its trade balnce is positive unless US and UK.We benefit of Euro in sense that in a crisis, Euro would not go down like pound.Our financial market is less sensitive to crisis than UK. Then our saving, gold and currencies reserves are higher. France has 43 companies in the WORLD FORTUNE 500 ranking, one more than Germany and much more than UK or Italy.For example UK industry is stronguer than France in prescription drug but you can not use that for war. War potential: US: 100; Japan: 55, Germany ,40, France 25, UK 20. Diplomatic influence: should I said that French diplomatic network is world class and second to US only (with better skills).That our foreign aid is higher than UK or US in GNP %? That we have VETO right in UNO? That our cultural influence is world second after US? Thank to our industry we can substitute to US or Russia to deliver to a friend the whole set of weapons INDEPENDANTLY (from airfighters to subs via tank or C4ISR) and can shift power balance in any area.WE ARE THE SECOND WESTERN INDEPENDANT SUPPLIER AFTER US FOR CAPACITIES. We are the only Euro nation to have the full INDEPENDANT world reco network which is second to USA. RECO satellites, Telecom satellites (bandwith second to US), ELINT satellites, DSP satellites (in 2008), METEO satellites, spy ships, 30 ELINT ground station in word with 2 dedicated to spy US satelites, SPACE SURVEILLANCE RADAR. An unkown assets is that we are the only nation with US which can produce any currencies in world (to make false money in perfect imitation - we are the best in Europe for money technology) Sensitivity to energy imports: Our oil company is fourth in world and we have ROBUST assets in non middle east areas like Gabon, Angola etc...We produce our oil industry heavy equipment and our industry is world second of US in this field. Our nuclear energy production is world second in world and give us independance on electricity.Our influence in Africa secure minerals imports. Sensitivity to embargo: France has world class semiconductors facilities and hold the more advanced Europe wafer fab (joint venture between Motorola, SGS Thomson and Philips). Our auto maker build 7,5 million car /year, we have Airbus main designed office in France and so on...Our industry is pretty well balanced and produce almost everything at world class. Then we are the only Euro nation with a launch pad and Euro leader in Space.So we do not depend on US or other nation. We produce the second set of weapons after US and we do not depend of any supplier. Military technology: we are mastering everything form nukes to C4ISR with a technological level recognised by US as world second (while UK is close after).Of course neither Japan, Germany or China enjoy such an advantage. Nukes: our nuclear force are world THIRD and we produce precise counterforce weapons INDEPENDANTLY.Good second strike ability.400 warheads vs 200 for UK.(and we have stored weapons we can reactivate).3 SSBN can strike anywhere in the world. Military skills: our war academy is renown with US and UK.Israelis send some generals to perfectionate. Should I remember that Saudia Arabia asked French to crush rebellion in Mecka and not to US or UK?Saudis special forces and military stalled two weeks before asking France help.We did it in two days with 70 commandos leading Saudi commando (and using combat nerve gaz killing 2000 rebels). Mitary capacities. Second world force projection from 2007 to 2012 as a single Cdg with 3E2C and 40 Rafales, protected by 19 frigates with top ASW, 6 SSN and 3 Horizon with ASTER 30 outperform anything UK have: Indeed UK has 2 ACTIVE small carriers (with limited self protection and 60 harriers), they will not have any BVR fighters with FA2 retirement, and not antiship capacity since Harrier GR7/9 have NO RADAR!! UK air force has an handfull of non operational EF supported by 63 old Tornado ADV.No medium range airdefense for their troops. They have more SSN (soon reduced to 8 only) and military transport but we rely on civilian military prepared transports from french companies and our overseas bases to accumulate locally . ONLY US, UK, Russia and Japan has a sub force strong enough to put in danger our fleet. In fact we can crush any OPFOR airforce of 100 SU27/Mig29 (plus old MIGS or SU) without AWAC, ONLY relying on Cdg (even I agree a second would be better and needed). Most of nation do not have ENOUGH YAKHONT equivalent missiles to crush our naval force until our second carrier is operational. UK is unable to do that and in 2010 only 4 T45 will have entered service
 
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gixxxerking    RE:I simply don't see how we can loose at the end!   5/8/2005 1:47:33 PM
No because Egypt could also procure more systems in the face of this gathering threat. LM and Russia would salivate at the opportunity to sell more kit. And many nations have an interest in keeping France far far away from the cannal. Not to mention Israel and France dont exactly exchange gift cards at Xmas. So you can dream up as much procurement as you like and I will do the same for Egypt. Bottom line is that by 2009 you do not have the military or political strength to do this.
 
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tiff    RE:ASW   5/8/2005 2:37:47 PM
I think you've completely underestimated the threat submarines pose to your fleet and completely overestimated the FN abilities to find these boats in the rather noisy med. "Avisos A69 on active sonar" ha ha ha. Do you understand how sound travels through water? Why don't you just put an advertisement in the Egyptian Times giving your current position. 'He who pings first dies' remember that one from a while back.
 
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gixxxerking    RE:ASW   5/8/2005 2:45:47 PM
TO make matters even worse is that the Romeos and Moray all carry Harpoon. The French fleet here especially the ASW hunting party is not very well prepared to deal with air attack.
 
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Godofgamblers    gixx you have convinced me   5/8/2005 8:31:56 PM
you have convinced me, gix, that Egypt would do damage on the french fleet. look at the damage done to the brits by the argies during the falklands war. the brits lost a number of ships from SSM. but in the end, egypt is a third world nation, as FS points out. no matter how many arguments are given about fuel needs, logistics, etc., if France is willing to take losses, it has (1) the materiel, (2) the human resources, (3) the diplomatic clout to take Egypt down. remember how Iraq was touted by CNN as being "the world's number 4 military power" and then the whole army fell over themselves to surrender the moment hostilities started. in fact, we learned that they had been waiting in foxholes with no supplies, no ammo reserves, and told to hold off the coalition invasion. i suspect that with egypt it would be the same. egypt might have some brief moments of brilliance, maybe getting within range of the Cdg or hitting a few ships, but ultimately, it is a third world nation against a first world nation. this is the bottom line. (PS your line about the star destroyer cracked me up though, and made me shoot my morning coffee through my nose).
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Suez   5/8/2005 9:49:10 PM
Haven't the French already tried this one? With Israel and the UK helping too? It takes the whole of europe to make a superpower. Get over yourselves gaulic chums.
 
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Bluewings    RE:???   5/8/2005 11:59:37 PM
How comes that so many people believe Egypt would stop France on the battlefield ?? Is it blindness , incredulity , unacceptance or simple bashing ?? I don 't get it ... WAKE UP ! Cheers .
 
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fall out    RE:I simply don't see how we can loose at the end!   5/9/2005 9:21:34 AM
yeah well you thought that France could invade Australia from New Caladonia so why should we take you seriously??
 
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french stratege    Fall out    5/9/2005 10:19:00 AM
Nobody compelled you to take me seriously.It is up to you.But we can invade still Australia using New caledonia as a fixed giant carrier.Agaisnt 75 Rafale and 275 M2000 and 7 AWACs, and armies of 380 000 professional soldiers, you can not do anything with you 100 plane.
 
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french stratege    Saudia Arabia   5/9/2005 10:43:29 AM
Saudia Arabia is in fact more simple than Egypt.In fact Djibouti is closer to Saudia Arabia than Egypt.Only the Red Sae to cross.They have a good number of F15 but we can deal with that.Of course we assume they do not hit Djibouti first (unrealistic as war start by periods of tense then allowing build up of strategic points). Moreover their ground forces are weaker than Egypt and Saudia Arabia is less populated.Their ground force qualification is pretty bad for our experience. Undisciplined and lazy on training.A sort of Arabian national guard. Next is Iran a bigger objective as Djibouti is far away and population more numerous.
 
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fall out    RE:Fall out    5/9/2005 10:59:55 AM
hahahaha, well i dont, esp when you reel off statements like that! hahahaha
 
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