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Subject: How rank France in world power?
french stratege    4/23/2005 9:33:41 PM
o be a world power means to master a number of power tools and capacities:

Economic power:
France have fourth largest economy in world, even UK GNP seems on a par.But in fact France has a slightly bigger GDP in Puchasing Power Parity, a stronguer industry as its share in GNP is bigger, and especially in military usable industry (automotive, steel, microelectronic ...).
Its trade balnce is positive unless US and UK.We benefit of Euro in sense that in a crisis, Euro would not go down like pound.Our financial market is less sensitive to crisis than UK.
Then our saving, gold and currencies reserves are higher.
France has 43 companies in the WORLD FORTUNE 500 ranking, one more than Germany and much more than UK or Italy.For example UK industry is stronguer than France in prescription drug but you can not use that for war.
War potential:
US: 100; Japan: 55, Germany ,40, France 25, UK 20.

Diplomatic influence:
should I said that French diplomatic network is world class and second to US only (with better skills).That our foreign aid is higher than UK or US in GNP %?
That we have VETO right in UNO?
That our cultural influence is world second after US?
Thank to our industry we can substitute to US or Russia to deliver to a friend the whole set of weapons INDEPENDANTLY (from airfighters to subs via tank or C4ISR) and can shift power balance in any area.WE ARE THE SECOND WESTERN INDEPENDANT SUPPLIER AFTER US FOR CAPACITIES.
We are the only Euro nation to have the full INDEPENDANT world reco network which is second to USA.
RECO satellites, Telecom satellites (bandwith second to US), ELINT satellites, DSP satellites (in 2008), METEO satellites, spy ships, 30 ELINT ground station in word with 2 dedicated to spy US satelites, SPACE SURVEILLANCE RADAR.
An unkown assets is that we are the only nation with US which can produce any currencies in world (to make false money in perfect imitation - we are the best in Europe for money technology)

Sensitivity to energy imports:
Our oil company is fourth in world and we have ROBUST assets in non middle east areas like Gabon, Angola etc...We produce our oil industry heavy equipment and our industry is world second of US in this field.
Our nuclear energy production is world second in world and give us independance on electricity.Our influence in Africa secure minerals imports.

Sensitivity to embargo:
France has world class semiconductors facilities and hold the more advanced Europe wafer fab (joint venture between Motorola, SGS Thomson and Philips).
Our auto maker build 7,5 million car /year, we have Airbus main designed office in France and so on...Our industry is pretty well balanced and produce almost everything at world class.
Then we are the only Euro nation with a launch pad and Euro leader in Space.So we do not depend on US or other nation.
We produce the second set of weapons after US and we do not depend of any supplier.

Military technology: we are mastering everything form nukes to C4ISR with a technological level recognised by US as world second (while UK is close after).Of course neither Japan, Germany or China enjoy such an advantage.

Nukes: our nuclear force are world THIRD and we produce precise counterforce weapons INDEPENDANTLY.Good second strike ability.400 warheads vs 200 for UK.(and we have stored weapons we can reactivate).3 SSBN can strike anywhere in the world.

Military skills: our war academy is renown with US and UK.Israelis send some generals to perfectionate.
Should I remember that Saudia Arabia asked French to crush rebellion in Mecka and not to US or UK?Saudis special forces and military stalled two weeks before asking France help.We did it in two days with 70 commandos leading Saudi commando (and using combat nerve gaz killing 2000 rebels).

Mitary capacities.
Second world force projection from 2007 to 2012 as a single Cdg with 3E2C and 40 Rafales, protected by 19 frigates with top ASW, 6 SSN and 3 Horizon with ASTER 30 outperform anything UK have:
Indeed UK has 2 ACTIVE small carriers (with limited self protection and 60 harriers), they will not have any BVR fighters with FA2 retirement, and not antiship capacity since Harrier GR7/9 have NO RADAR!!
UK air force has an handfull of non operational EF supported by 63 old Tornado ADV.No medium range airdefense for their troops.
They have more SSN (soon reduced to 8 only) and military transport but we rely on civilian military prepared transports from french companies and our overseas bases to accumulate locally .
ONLY US, UK, Russia and Japan has a sub force strong enough to put in danger our fleet.
In fact we can crush any OPFOR airforce of 100 SU27/Mig29 (plus old MIGS or SU) without AWAC, ONLY relying on Cdg (even I agree a second would be better and needed).
Most of nation do not have ENOUGH YAKHONT equivalent missiles to crush our naval force until our second carrier is operational.
UK is unable to do that and in 2010 only 4 T45 will have entered service vs 3 Horizon for France.
3 LPH to carry attack helos (TIGER) plus LSD with 8 heavy helo/ship.
We have the second air land battle projectable force with 4 heavy division equivalent (and 2 ALREADY digitalized).Our airforce will have 200 Rafale/M2000 to gain air superiority with 4 AWACs.We outperform UK by 50% and more on gaining airsuperiority ALONE.
We have 1,9 more troops than UK, well trained in Djibouti deserts, artic (Norway and Sweden), montains (Alp) or Guyana jungle school.
35000 men are abroad.And we have a world network of bases from Guyana to New Caledonia with Djibouti in a superb position near Arabia peninsula and Gulf.They are protected (M2000 and 5000 men in Djuibouti for exemple with equiped naval base and supplies).

WE have weaknesses and it is maybe not brillant to have 9%of US naval power (but 16% of air-land battle power) but it is enough for most nation of world.
AND UK is worst as their force have spectacular weaknesses (air superiority, digitalization beginning, space RECO in US hands, no long range tactical nukes not corectced SOON!).Japan or Germany are non existing.Russia or China can not project.NO THREAT IN EUROPE.
In fact we can CRUSH any latin america or African nation, invade Arabia peninsula or south east asian nations, strike (and destroy their navy) on Iran, China, Pakistan or India without important losses.
Is France the second world power?
I will answer yes even it look provocative to some (UK and US)!!
I would like more MILITARY CAPACITIES but it is not so bad and ENOUGH in OVERALL CAPACITY to deserve the rank of second world power (far away in brut force of US today as we spend little since we have no threat known).
A RANK RIGHFULLY RECOGNIZED by US state department and those of JAPAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
According US, we are the only other nation to have all the power tools in an indepandant way and the US main western competitor!!
I will deserve to UK the third rank today with Japan on overall capacities.
We know we have also internal problem to reform our economic system but no massive loss is to expect in the coming years.
No so bad for (still arrogant) frogs!!
 
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Bluewings    RE:STOP to invent unexisting capacities!   5/10/2005 5:58:06 PM
Is he gonna do the same when the sabots fired by Leclerc fries Egyptian Abrams while their old ammo bounce off Leclerc 's armor ? Cheers .
 
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gixxxerking    RE:Bluewings is trolling - HARMS   5/10/2005 5:58:21 PM
So you will have the Fleet on EMCON during a missile attack...Lol! And the ship will only be meters from the point of impact! Most ships are many dozens of meters long! Ineffective tactic. You guys have nothing but pride and ignorance vs Combat history and Fact. I cant believe you would ever even insult Arabs. Your tactics and Strategy are worse!
 
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gixxxerking    RE:EW3 - HARMS jam by cooperative jamming between 2 or 3 ship   5/10/2005 6:02:04 PM
You freaking fool that will not work! Why not. Time and multiple missiles silly. And your CIWS will need Radar data. Boy oh boy you guys need to get a clue. US fired in the numbers I mention will slaughter your fleet. BUt you are the same idiots who think you can invade Austrailia from New Caldonia! Also Bluewings you just learned the HARM is faster than MACH 1. You two are clowns.
 
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Bluewings    RE:Bluewings is trolling - HARMS   5/10/2005 6:02:39 PM
You are loosing your feet with your last comment Gixxx . Cheers .
 
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gixxxerking    EMCON During missile attack   5/10/2005 6:04:17 PM
How are you going to do EMCON and shoot down ASMs or Mig-21 with bombs! You are like lambs to slaughter before me.
 
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french stratege    gxxx you are trolling - HARMS   5/10/2005 6:04:22 PM
A radar is on a mast(so HARM could likely pass above ship) and HARM charge is pretty low if it hit an other point of ship!!!It is not an harpoon and I garantee that none will damage strongly a modern ship acting in cooperation with a dozen other. ANd if we assume that HARM is not intercepted before (or its F16 carrier by a RAFALE)!!! Gxxx , please come back on earth! US NAVY do not plan to use HARM efficiently against a modern fleet for that reasons!
 
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Bluewings    RE:Bluewings is trolling - HARMS   5/10/2005 6:04:46 PM
In fact , you are loosing the Battle ... Cheers .
 
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gixxxerking    FS you are trolling - HARMS   5/10/2005 6:06:18 PM
Go read FS link
 
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gixxxerking    RE:Bluewings is trolling - HARMS   5/10/2005 6:07:54 PM
Is that what you think bluewings you moron. Quite the change of heart from this link clown
 
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Bluewings    RE:FS you are trolling - HARMS   5/10/2005 6:08:14 PM
USN-MID is simply wrong concerning the use of the HARM . Merely a weak decoy easily dealt with ... Cheers .
 
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gixxxerking    Even two of you cant beat me   5/10/2005 6:09:57 PM
You guys have no strategy. You hope your tech works and make shopping list forgetting to buy the most important stuff like Tankers!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Bluewings    RE:Bluewings is trolling - HARMS   5/10/2005 6:10:04 PM
Your insults are useless . Cheers .
 
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gixxxerking    USN-MID is wrong according to Bluewings   5/10/2005 6:12:30 PM
And how would you know bluewings. You have an answer for everything dont you. Your a sack of crap. HARM is always used to for SEAD and it doesnt matter what the target is. If it emmits, it dies. Unless it shuts off and stays off. Thats why in my attack the HARMS are salvoed so that any emmitters that shut off are killed by trailing missiles.
 
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gixxxerking    RE:Bluewings is trolling - HARMS   5/10/2005 6:12:52 PM
You are useless. Troll.
 
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gixxxerking    Egypt Wins in the Med either by French Impotence or incompetence   5/10/2005 6:15:05 PM
I dont care which. The truth hurts but you cannot invade Egypt now or in 2009 probably never. Move on to a nation you can win agaist. I suggest you share common borders!
 
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