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Subject: How rank France in world power?
french stratege    4/23/2005 9:33:41 PM
o be a world power means to master a number of power tools and capacities: Economic power: France have fourth largest economy in world, even UK GNP seems on a par.But in fact France has a slightly bigger GDP in Puchasing Power Parity, a stronguer industry as its share in GNP is bigger, and especially in military usable industry (automotive, steel, microelectronic ...). Its trade balnce is positive unless US and UK.We benefit of Euro in sense that in a crisis, Euro would not go down like pound.Our financial market is less sensitive to crisis than UK. Then our saving, gold and currencies reserves are higher. France has 43 companies in the WORLD FORTUNE 500 ranking, one more than Germany and much more than UK or Italy.For example UK industry is stronguer than France in prescription drug but you can not use that for war. War potential: US: 100; Japan: 55, Germany ,40, France 25, UK 20. Diplomatic influence: should I said that French diplomatic network is world class and second to US only (with better skills).That our foreign aid is higher than UK or US in GNP %? That we have VETO right in UNO? That our cultural influence is world second after US? Thank to our industry we can substitute to US or Russia to deliver to a friend the whole set of weapons INDEPENDANTLY (from airfighters to subs via tank or C4ISR) and can shift power balance in any area.WE ARE THE SECOND WESTERN INDEPENDANT SUPPLIER AFTER US FOR CAPACITIES. We are the only Euro nation to have the full INDEPENDANT world reco network which is second to USA. RECO satellites, Telecom satellites (bandwith second to US), ELINT satellites, DSP satellites (in 2008), METEO satellites, spy ships, 30 ELINT ground station in word with 2 dedicated to spy US satelites, SPACE SURVEILLANCE RADAR. An unkown assets is that we are the only nation with US which can produce any currencies in world (to make false money in perfect imitation - we are the best in Europe for money technology) Sensitivity to energy imports: Our oil company is fourth in world and we have ROBUST assets in non middle east areas like Gabon, Angola etc...We produce our oil industry heavy equipment and our industry is world second of US in this field. Our nuclear energy production is world second in world and give us independance on electricity.Our influence in Africa secure minerals imports. Sensitivity to embargo: France has world class semiconductors facilities and hold the more advanced Europe wafer fab (joint venture between Motorola, SGS Thomson and Philips). Our auto maker build 7,5 million car /year, we have Airbus main designed office in France and so on...Our industry is pretty well balanced and produce almost everything at world class. Then we are the only Euro nation with a launch pad and Euro leader in Space.So we do not depend on US or other nation. We produce the second set of weapons after US and we do not depend of any supplier. Military technology: we are mastering everything form nukes to C4ISR with a technological level recognised by US as world second (while UK is close after).Of course neither Japan, Germany or China enjoy such an advantage. Nukes: our nuclear force are world THIRD and we produce precise counterforce weapons INDEPENDANTLY.Good second strike ability.400 warheads vs 200 for UK.(and we have stored weapons we can reactivate).3 SSBN can strike anywhere in the world. Military skills: our war academy is renown with US and UK.Israelis send some generals to perfectionate. Should I remember that Saudia Arabia asked French to crush rebellion in Mecka and not to US or UK?Saudis special forces and military stalled two weeks before asking France help.We did it in two days with 70 commandos leading Saudi commando (and using combat nerve gaz killing 2000 rebels). Mitary capacities. Second world force projection from 2007 to 2012 as a single Cdg with 3E2C and 40 Rafales, protected by 19 frigates with top ASW, 6 SSN and 3 Horizon with ASTER 30 outperform anything UK have: Indeed UK has 2 ACTIVE small carriers (with limited self protection and 60 harriers), they will not have any BVR fighters with FA2 retirement, and not antiship capacity since Harrier GR7/9 have NO RADAR!! UK air force has an handfull of non operational EF supported by 63 old Tornado ADV.No medium range airdefense for their troops. They have more SSN (soon reduced to 8 only) and military transport but we rely on civilian military prepared transports from french companies and our overseas bases to accumulate locally . ONLY US, UK, Russia and Japan has a sub force strong enough to put in danger our fleet. In fact we can crush any OPFOR airforce of 100 SU27/Mig29 (plus old MIGS or SU) without AWAC, ONLY relying on Cdg (even I agree a second would be better and needed). Most of nation do not have ENOUGH YAKHONT equivalent missiles to crush our naval force until our second carrier is operational. UK is unable to do that and in 2010 only 4 T45 will have entered service
 
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Nichevo    RE:dobry ruski zawod, prawda li   5/4/2005 12:25:03 AM
Oh, haha, missed that. Shamefully, I do not speak the language of my ancestors except from a few words acquired from a great-aunt and a sleeping dictionary (not one and the same person, please God) ;>
 
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Godofgamblers    nichevo game rules   5/4/2005 12:31:52 AM
Nichevo, the match between FS and Gix is to prove if france is able to take on a country ON ITS OWN and project force. egypt was chosen randomly. there is no provocation, no background to the conflict; it is a simple exercise. no third party involvement is allowed. the bigger question is whether france is a super power or not. tempers have flared; words have been exchanged. if you wish to enter into this fray, do so at your own risk! all the best GoG
 
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ret13f    RE:Bluewings   5/4/2005 12:38:08 AM
D**khead? is that French? just trying to lighten up a bit. how about some translations? we can all sit at the table and drink some good australian wine at the SP convention that Sys IS GOING TO SET UP. (hope he heard that)
 
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Nichevo    RE:nichevo game rules   5/4/2005 12:39:00 AM
OK, thanks GoG. Well then without drilling into say whether they may use nukes or not, again is the objective to hit/hurt them, or to own Egypt, or where in between? Obviously the French could nuke them; I assume they could cover all Egypt with enough rads--400 warheads? How many would they need?--to kill everybody; but that option seems to have dropped by the wayside, yes? I still don't see how they could pacify one large Egyptian city. Somebody said 'raze Cairo' or was it Alexandria? How many bombs or million-dollar cruise missiles would that take? Would they be dumb bombs or Galileo guided? It is inconceivable. I look forward to FS waking up and chewing on me. I do hope that the prevalent high tone of amiability can survive my entry into the fray ;>.
 
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VelocityVector    RE:nichevo game rules   5/4/2005 12:49:40 AM
H'okay, this aspect of SP boards _must_ die, if for no other reason than it renders some good-natured people here linguistically tone-deaf and suffering real pain, I kid you not. To wit: certain posters, it doesn't matter who you are, submit _vastly_ non-idiomatic 'Russian' language here and IT DOES NOT WORK. (decipher my capitalization if you choose, puh-leze :>] ) Knock this crap off, man, you do not convince anyone. If you will start by adopting 'nool' - null - from now on and not 'nichevo' in the given context :>[ v^2
 
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Nichevo    RE:nichevo game rules   5/4/2005 1:32:47 AM
You reference "nichevo game rules," VV? "Nichevo" is my handle, I think he didn't mean "no game rules." You seem to know what it means. But as my dear Aunt Filia says, "Nichevo covers a multitude of sins." ;> OTOH, glad I'm not the only one left up.
 
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VelocityVector    RE:Nichevo - nichevo game rules   5/4/2005 1:52:10 AM
So I failed to appreciate the proprietary attribute ... ;>] You must admit that 'games without rules' is not that, at least that's what I _think' the caption was intended to be. Still, non-idiomatic Russian pervades these boards (fwiw russki yazoik is one of the few things with which I tend to concur with 'Boris the Romania'.) v^2
 
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gixxxerking    Sorry Ladies and Gentlemen   5/4/2005 3:08:22 AM
Too drunk to fight back tonight!
 
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Nichevo    RE:How rank France in world power?   5/4/2005 3:21:36 AM
relax and enjoy it then. catch you later ;>
 
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Godofgamblers    VV, kazetsa, shto Nichevo prawilna   5/4/2005 6:28:03 AM
kagda ya pisal "Nichevo game rules", ya chtiel objasnit "game rules" dlya Nichevo (eto zawod), patomu shto on tak sprashil. Nu, nada skakat, shto mozna byt drugie znachenie toze, na premier: "no problem, here are the game rules" (double entendre). so, in fact, no syntactic rules were broken, just bent ! :) wsivo charoshava !
 
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