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Subject: How rank France in world power?
french stratege    4/23/2005 9:33:41 PM
o be a world power means to master a number of power tools and capacities: Economic power: France have fourth largest economy in world, even UK GNP seems on a par.But in fact France has a slightly bigger GDP in Puchasing Power Parity, a stronguer industry as its share in GNP is bigger, and especially in military usable industry (automotive, steel, microelectronic ...). Its trade balnce is positive unless US and UK.We benefit of Euro in sense that in a crisis, Euro would not go down like pound.Our financial market is less sensitive to crisis than UK. Then our saving, gold and currencies reserves are higher. France has 43 companies in the WORLD FORTUNE 500 ranking, one more than Germany and much more than UK or Italy.For example UK industry is stronguer than France in prescription drug but you can not use that for war. War potential: US: 100; Japan: 55, Germany ,40, France 25, UK 20. Diplomatic influence: should I said that French diplomatic network is world class and second to US only (with better skills).That our foreign aid is higher than UK or US in GNP %? That we have VETO right in UNO? That our cultural influence is world second after US? Thank to our industry we can substitute to US or Russia to deliver to a friend the whole set of weapons INDEPENDANTLY (from airfighters to subs via tank or C4ISR) and can shift power balance in any area.WE ARE THE SECOND WESTERN INDEPENDANT SUPPLIER AFTER US FOR CAPACITIES. We are the only Euro nation to have the full INDEPENDANT world reco network which is second to USA. RECO satellites, Telecom satellites (bandwith second to US), ELINT satellites, DSP satellites (in 2008), METEO satellites, spy ships, 30 ELINT ground station in word with 2 dedicated to spy US satelites, SPACE SURVEILLANCE RADAR. An unkown assets is that we are the only nation with US which can produce any currencies in world (to make false money in perfect imitation - we are the best in Europe for money technology) Sensitivity to energy imports: Our oil company is fourth in world and we have ROBUST assets in non middle east areas like Gabon, Angola etc...We produce our oil industry heavy equipment and our industry is world second of US in this field. Our nuclear energy production is world second in world and give us independance on electricity.Our influence in Africa secure minerals imports. Sensitivity to embargo: France has world class semiconductors facilities and hold the more advanced Europe wafer fab (joint venture between Motorola, SGS Thomson and Philips). Our auto maker build 7,5 million car /year, we have Airbus main designed office in France and so on...Our industry is pretty well balanced and produce almost everything at world class. Then we are the only Euro nation with a launch pad and Euro leader in Space.So we do not depend on US or other nation. We produce the second set of weapons after US and we do not depend of any supplier. Military technology: we are mastering everything form nukes to C4ISR with a technological level recognised by US as world second (while UK is close after).Of course neither Japan, Germany or China enjoy such an advantage. Nukes: our nuclear force are world THIRD and we produce precise counterforce weapons INDEPENDANTLY.Good second strike ability.400 warheads vs 200 for UK.(and we have stored weapons we can reactivate).3 SSBN can strike anywhere in the world. Military skills: our war academy is renown with US and UK.Israelis send some generals to perfectionate. Should I remember that Saudia Arabia asked French to crush rebellion in Mecka and not to US or UK?Saudis special forces and military stalled two weeks before asking France help.We did it in two days with 70 commandos leading Saudi commando (and using combat nerve gaz killing 2000 rebels). Mitary capacities. Second world force projection from 2007 to 2012 as a single Cdg with 3E2C and 40 Rafales, protected by 19 frigates with top ASW, 6 SSN and 3 Horizon with ASTER 30 outperform anything UK have: Indeed UK has 2 ACTIVE small carriers (with limited self protection and 60 harriers), they will not have any BVR fighters with FA2 retirement, and not antiship capacity since Harrier GR7/9 have NO RADAR!! UK air force has an handfull of non operational EF supported by 63 old Tornado ADV.No medium range airdefense for their troops. They have more SSN (soon reduced to 8 only) and military transport but we rely on civilian military prepared transports from french companies and our overseas bases to accumulate locally . ONLY US, UK, Russia and Japan has a sub force strong enough to put in danger our fleet. In fact we can crush any OPFOR airforce of 100 SU27/Mig29 (plus old MIGS or SU) without AWAC, ONLY relying on Cdg (even I agree a second would be better and needed). Most of nation do not have ENOUGH YAKHONT equivalent missiles to crush our naval force until our second carrier is operational. UK is unable to do that and in 2010 only 4 T45 will have entered service
 
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french stratege    RE:French fleet 2009   5/2/2005 4:50:01 PM
I remember you that bulk of landing fleet will go in the red sea only if ASW and airforce Egypt threat are removed.
 
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gixxxerking    RE:armor   5/2/2005 4:52:21 PM
"Explain me how EGypt can mobilized strong heavy armour in south ?Where come logistic chain ?Via Nile river? link road network. How few Patriot cover south? We need low flight profil at end only and tanks are jetisonned for Rafale. I'm sure Egypt can not send a strong armor force in the south without air superiority.We can choose attack profile form south, west , north west (Lybian sea border)." --FS Good map recon for a French civilian! But Egyptians who live there will hardly need it as they know every goat trail and back road there is due to home territory. You have obviously not seen the world on a Military Grid Reference System Map! Lot more detail. Give me an e-mail and I'll show you how to read it! link Also I dont need to cover all of Southern Egypt. Only troop concentrations and HVTs. Why waste resources protecting sand? Besides, Interceptors can deal with the areas where gaps exit as there are airbases withn 300km of the south west corner of the AO. Also remeber that by closing roads and blowing damns first you announce your invation route. A benefit to the defence. All you actions are increasing the amount of defence you encounter. Dropping the external tanks is good. But after detection the advantage of surprise is gone. And those empty pylons arent filled with missile and bomb! So you have to send more aircraft yo dont have or hit targets several times to complete the destruction. Thats bad news for the second and third wave of fighter bombers.
 
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french stratege    gxxx   5/2/2005 4:59:19 PM
we were in a fair discussion so avoid "Good map recon for a French civilian" and such comment.I know perfectly how to read a map.I was in artillery as a reco officer. Give me better map link if you have time, please. Did you notice that Egyptian infrastructure is pretty weak in south?
 
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gixxxerking    RE:French fleet 2009   5/2/2005 5:02:33 PM
"assuming we have 2 horizon instead of 3 (for antiship missile only), we have still 128 aster 30/15 plus 390 Crotale NG and hundred of rounds for SADRAL lucher (the total interservices stock of Mistral is about 7000 ).At least more than 800 missiles on ramp. I remember you that bulk of landing fleet will go in the red sea only if ASW and airforce Egypt threat are removed."--FS Assuming 2 Horizon means the op will not make it out of the defense ministers office unless he had a lot of French wine! Because I will not count the Aster 15 since the Harpoon and Styx out range it by a lot. So you have sea skimmers comming in. Followed by manned fighters carrying bombs and maverick missiles. This is an excellent chance for saturation attack on CdG which if it is near Create. It is in Range of F-4/F-16. To increase the savagery of the attack the TU-16 can still bring Kelt missile to the party set for anti radiation homing. On hit from it will destroy a Horizon. FS if you lose even one Horizon you navy is at the mercy of the Egyptians who could use the TU-16 to chase you all the way back to Toulon. And how could you be sure the ASW threat was gone in the Red Sea?
 
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french stratege    RE:armor   5/2/2005 5:05:09 PM
I can add that if we go throught (invading or by agreement) Sudan, Erytrée or Lybia we solve all problems.Erytrée is seeking help in its war with Sudan. Il y a 1322 km entre Massawa (Erytrée) et Louxor
 
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french stratege    RE:armor   5/2/2005 5:07:38 PM
Aster 15 are antimissiles for SUPERSONIC sea skimmer.Crotale NG can intercept subsonic sea skimmer as Sadral.Then point defense (100 mm and 30 mm). And how these plane will get close in suffcient numbers as we have E2C and total air superiority?
 
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gixxxerking    RE:gxxx to fs   5/2/2005 5:15:29 PM
"we were in a fair discussion so avoid "Good map recon for a French civilian" and such comment.I know perfectly how to read a map.I was in artillery as a reco officer. Give me better map link if you have time, please. Did you notice that Egyptian infrastructure is pretty weak in south?"--FS I assumed you were a civilian and for that I apologize. I cannot give you a link of Southern Egypt. But I can scan a send to you a map that would show you what the groung there really looks like. And yes the infrastructure is weak there. But this is not going to be a problem as Egytian logistics vehicles can traverse the terrain with ease. Actually it will allow concentration of the defense around the important areas. BTW- I was TDY as a MLRS Platton leader prior to getting my first assignment as an officer.
 
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french stratege    RE:armor   5/2/2005 5:16:04 PM
The Dalhlak argipelago from erytree could be an option to put some air base on. After all it is an Island disputed between Ethipia and Erytrée.Maybe possible. For sorties the Luxor or Ras Banas are within 1000 miles form Djibouti.It need refueling at 600 miles only on red sea.At this short range tankers have pretty good load and sorties rate.
 
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gixxxerking    Political Reality Must Be Considered   5/2/2005 5:21:51 PM
Invading 3 to 5 other countries on the way will only make matters worse as UNSC resolution against you would be proposed and any popular Support you have will wane. Also that will allow other players with interest in the Region to become more actively involved. A Paveway dropped by F-117 looks no different than one from an F-16 if you get my point. Also there is the small matter of the Armies of these various violated nations being on behind your lines. If you do this your sword will be dull by the time it reaches Egypt.
 
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french stratege    RE:How rank France in world power?   5/2/2005 5:23:10 PM
Oh oh.Some Island near Ras Banas and Egypt coast in north! good for helos and marines link
 
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