Israel Overrated Military.

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ambush RE:Israel Overrated Military. 4/6/2005 7:30:38 PM

There is some truth to the sayin ghta you are only as good as the last enemy you defeated. Israel has not exactly faced the top rung of military competency in her wars but if wargaming and training exercises against the US and others is any indication their Air Force is not overrated.

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Godofgamblers entebbe/6 day war 4/6/2005 9:25:59 PM

interesting... let's say that British or French commanders/troops replaced Israeli ones during the 6 day war or the Entebbe crisis. would they have turned out the same?

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bsl RE:Israel Overrated Military. 4/6/2005 10:35:59 PM

"By 'Western' standards their training is pretty poor. They may have lots of good equipment and weapons but still most western countries have better. Their soldiers are ill-diciplined too." This is amusing. The poster appears to have no idea what current "Western" militaries are like. The *only* countries who are clearly as good, if not better, across their entire military establishments are the US,UK and France. Possibly Japan, although it's difficult to say since it's been so long since the Japanese have been in a fight. The poster appears to have little idea of current standards of training in "Western" countries apart from those just mentioned. Or, the importance of actual combat in living memory to tune-up a military in areas stretching from small-unit operations all the way up to national command authority. Of course, some might also wonder what the poster considers "Western", if not Israel. But, why confuse the already muddied waters....

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S.C.P RE:entebbe/6 day war 4/7/2005 4:44:46 PM

I think the Isralies were using old British Tanks anyway and their enemy was using Russian tanks. Israel won if I am thinking of the same War.

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GOP RE:Israel Overrated Military. 4/7/2005 6:11:48 PM

I honestly don't think you have a idea about what you are talking about. I don't claim to be a military expert, but I do know that Israel's training is definitely better or on par with most western nations, and could possibly be the best in the world. A question: How could you honestly believe that Israel's training is pretty poor by western standards?

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Godofgamblers SCP 4/7/2005 9:12:24 PM

yes, i believed they modified WWII Centurion tanks which many other countries had sold as scrap and beat top of the line Russki tanks. not bad. of course, tactics and planning were more important than materiel, as the arabs were to find out. all the arab SAMS, for instance, were pointing the wrong way...

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stalemate RE:Israel Overrated Military. 4/8/2005 5:36:42 PM

In contrary. Israel have some of the finest soldiers and spy network that may be even more informed than any other. If fact, since Israel is one of U.S longest ally, I have heard of rumours such as that the MOSSAD are free to operate within U.S (don't quote me, just a rumour). Also, they have already drawn up a plan for WW3 when the U.S and former U.S.S.R are busy fighting the cold war. U.S technologies sold to Israel are as is "full package" as what the U.S army would use where other countries like Japan get a slightly modified ones. I think they are one of the finest army and spies in the world. I know a good book (old but good) if you are interested titled "Soldier Spies: Israeli Military Intelligence"

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stalemate RE CORRECTION:Israel Overrated Military. 4/8/2005 5:52:32 PM

"Also, they have already drawn up a plan for WW3 when the U.S and former U.S.S.R are busy fighting the cold war." Sorry, this didn't sounds right. What I meant to say what that "They have already drawn up a CONTINGENCY plan IN THE EVENT OF WW3 when the U.S and former U.S.S.R were busy fighting the cold war.

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hkorna RE:RE CORRECTION:Israel Overrated Military. 4/12/2005 10:01:02 AM

let's not forget what happened in the 1973 war , the did get their butt kicked ,if it weren' tfor the US support, their might not be an isreal right now..

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ambush RE:RE CORRECTION:Israel Overrated Military. 4/12/2005 11:34:06 AM

I do not think that you could call the 73 war an Israeli butt kicking. Ture the US poured a lot of equipment into Israel (no thanks to some of our so called NATO allies, like Germany who refused to let us uses ouor bases in Germany to move some of that equipment through-Arab oil embargo and all) But the USSR also porued a bunchintht eArab staes tryigjntosave them. This war almost started World War III. THere are even rumours that Soviet Piltos wer flying some Egyptian MIGS. The Arabs did achieve Strategic, tactical and technologiccal surpirses at he Start of the war but Israel did adaptfairly quickly. Israel did manage to get forces on the African side of the Suez Canal and were driving toward Cairo. They were also driving closer toward Damascus. What eneded that war was super power intervention. The Soviet Union would not let Cairo or Damascus fall and would have commited forces openly that would end up bringing in US Forces. It was crazy times. I was in Germany at the time and US Forces were put on alert. I was sitting in a base theater and they annouced over the public address system for soldiers to report to their units immediately. Could Israel have physically occupied Cairo or Damascus? Probaly not, but they would have certainly changed the strategic balance had they hung on to the African shores of the Canal.

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