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Subject: China to invade taiwan in 2010 or 2011
Gladiator    4/1/2005 12:48:16 PM
China's entire military machine is dedicated towards the invasion of Taiwan. China's 5 year military modernization plan will soon reach a creshendo. If China invades Taiwan today (2005) it will suffer nearly 600,000 casualties in its initial invasion and nearly another 500,000 losses in conquering Taiwan. Nearly 1/2 every two Chinese soldier invading Taiwan will die or be wounded. China has an unlimited supply of man power but the losses in equipement will be so heavy that it will be unable to sustain any attack on Taiwan for long, especially after US starts supplying Taiwan with weaponry. Taiwan has a very powerful Army, Navy and Air Force. CHINESE STRATEGY: 2011 INVASION OF TAIWAN Any Invasion of Taiwan will require a defeat of Taiwan's Air Force. This has to be achieved within the first few hours. China's only option is to saturate Taiwanese Air Space with Chinese Bombers and Air Force. That even though Taiwan will shoot down over 1,000 Chinese Planes, Taiwan will it self loose its supply of Air-to-air Missiles, and many of the Runways will be unservicable for fighter Aircraft. China even though will lose around 1,000 Air Craft, will have enough in reserve to sustain groud support for the invasion and give air cover to its naval task force. USA will not directly engage the Chinese Military. But supplies from Japan and South Korea such as F-16, F-15 Fighters, Aegis Warships could reach Taiwan in time to thwart any Chinese Invasion. Taiwan's ground Army is quite powerful. China will suffer massive casualties in its invasion. China's strategy will be to invade close to Taipei. By Invading close to Taipei and hoping that chinese tanks can withstand the punishment of Taiwan's feared anti-tank forces and the remaining Taiwanese fighters that it can soon cut off Taipei from the rest of Taiwan. Once that is done, it can re-augment its forces and establish a naval blockade around the northern half of Taiwan. USA will be forced to take the longer road to re-supply Taiwan from the South. China hopes to use this time to launch rapid armored thrusts deep into southern Taiwan and the continued arrival of Chinese Infantry. China hopes to use human waves attack to overwhelm the Taiwanese defenders and finally defeat them. TAIWANESE/USA STRATEGY: The US 7th Fleet is one of the most powerful Naval Forces in the World. Any build up of Chinese forces in the strait of Taiwan, the USA will soon be alerted of the impeding invasion of Taiwan. China will hope to mask their intent by engaging many war games. So that any build up chinese forces in the Taiwan strait will look like a war game. The Taiwanese air-force is quite powerful and will shoot down many chinese fighters if they cross into Taiwanese Air Space. As Soon as Chinese Planes have been detected, USA will rush supplies to Taiwan. Meaning F-16, F-15, F-18. USA will not directly engage the Chinese Forces but give enough armaments to Taiwan to stop the Chinese Invasion. USA naval forces will not engage the Chinese naval forces but instead will augment the Taiwanese ground amry with enough Abrams Battle Tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles. USA will even transfer control of several warships into Taiwanese control so that they can engage the Chinese Invasion Task Force. Chinese overwhelmingly numerical superiority will be hard to defeat. The only hope that Taiwan has to defeat the Chinese invading force on the beaches. USA has one of the fastest supply responese time in the world. B-52 bombers and C-130 will rapidly give Taiwan enough weapons to defeat any Chinese Invasion.
 
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Galderio    China 2011   4/5/2005 11:32:30 AM
I guess you are forgeting to think about what china is going to be in 2011. Not only because they would have 300+ SU-30, 300 improved J-8 and 120 J-10, but they could have more advanced eletronics, maybe european missiles, UAVs, and better C3 or space systens. As others superpowers we should believe they will make some surprises. what do you thinks chinese armed forces will be in 2011?
 
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gixxxerking    RE:China 2011   4/5/2005 11:54:32 AM
"what do you thinks chinese armed forces will be in 2011?" With the weapons you listed I think they will be incredibly obsolete vs the United States, Japan and South Korea and unable to take Taiwan based on JUST the military hardware.
 
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Galderio    RE:China 2011-gixxxerking   4/5/2005 1:05:59 PM
I was asking you? And with european and russian latest equipment I would not say they will be incredibly obsolete vs Taiwan, SK or Japan. And, not considering the missiles reliability I don´t think the SU-30MK3 and MK2 is much inferior to yours F-15C and F-16s. Or everybody is goping to have the F-35 in the same year?
 
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gixxxerking    RE:China 2011   4/5/2005 1:38:32 PM
I cant believe this obssession with the Chinese being the new Soviet Union. True, China is a threat. True, China is modernizing. True, unassisted Taiwan is likely to fall due to Chinese numbers and proximity. But the Chinese are a far cry from the Soviets in 1988 in terms of strength. The USAF and USN were DESIGNED to deal with EXACTLY the type of threat the Chinese are building. In fact the Chinese economy could not support the buildup that it would take to get them up to Soviet strength levels. If the Chinese and the United States went to war, the result would be catastrophic for China even if they succeeded in Taiwan. The Chinese would be in the same position as the Japanese after their successful Pearl Harbor Attack. They would be unable to press their attack directly into CONUS and strike at vital US industry even with their nuclear weapons. The US however could devastate every squake kilometer of China at will.
 
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gixxxerking    RE:China 2011-gixxxerking   4/5/2005 1:42:52 PM
Its not individual weapons that matter anymore. Its training and integration. The US has evolved its weapons systems into a system of systems. No one component matters anymore. And most of all its the logistics and support systems like AWACS, JSTARS, Satelites, Naval Power and economics. The Chinese are quite literally boxed in on almost all fronts.
 
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gixxxerking    RE:China 2011-gixxxerking   4/5/2005 1:49:03 PM
"not considering the missiles reliability" You cant not consider missile reliability. War isnt fair. If you show up with unreliable kit like the Serbs in their radar less Mig-29's, you die. Not to mention that the 200+ Raptors that will be responding in 2011 to the Chinese Airforce are invulnerable at relevant BVR ranges to SU-30 and its weapons.
 
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french stratege    F22 again!A gixxx obsession.   4/5/2005 2:08:13 PM
From which country F22 will came?Surely not Japan or South Korea with Chinese as a neighbor and without atomic weapons!And antistealth radar exists! After all a F22 with 6 to 8 Amraam missile can be outnumbered is approximatively located by ground/airbone (multistatic) antistealth radar especially if only 120 are deployed abroad.Maybe it is why Chinese keep their Mig 21! After all, for 4 million $ you can have an IRST and a jamming pod on a mig 21 enought to locate a F22 at 50 miles in clear weather and shoot an IR guided medium range missile to a F22.(and Russian sell some of them now). Chinese are not Iraqis: they will fight ONLY if their chance to win are great or they will delay an invasion until their technology afford them to do. By the way they develop long range antiawac ground to air missiles.
 
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french stratege    RE:China 2011   4/5/2005 2:14:57 PM
Chinese governement is pretty rational: they don't mass produce until they achieve the technological and performance parity on indigenous products. Maybe it why they keep a lot of obsolete products (apart for keeping internal order): to train men and officers until they get correct weapon to fill the number (an officer stay 30 year in an army - so they have to recruit and train young officers for 2025 today).It is rational and spare money for economic growth. China is governed by an oligarchy and not by a single dictator willing to take (mad) risks like Saddam.
 
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gixxxerking    Delusional FS but entertaining   4/5/2005 2:44:41 PM
No obssession FS. The F-22 is not vulnerable to any russian pod mounted on a Mig-21. That is wishful thinking. Good to hear from you again BTW. Anti-Stealth Radar FS? Really, where? If there is an answer to that question there is a Tomahawk or two to deal with that. YOu and I both know you are making this up. I challenge you any day FS to debate with facts on this F-22 vs anything scenario that the less fortunate pull out whenever a solution for the F-22 is needed. Oh, PS, did you forget that the F-22 is also stealthy in the IR spectrum as well? P.S. I remember the Serbs claiming to have anti-stealth radar too! And the Iraqis had anti-gps...blah, blah, blah.
 
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gixxxerking    RE:China 2011   4/5/2005 2:47:56 PM
"Chinese governement is pretty rational: they don't mass produce until they achieve the technological and performance parity on indigenous products. Maybe it why they keep a lot of obsolete products (apart for keeping internal order): to train men and officers until they get correct weapon to fill the number (an officer stay 30 year in an army - so they have to recruit and train young officers for 2025 today).It is rational and spare money for economic growth. China is governed by an oligarchy and not by a single dictator willing to take (mad) risks like Saddam." --FS I agree totally. Which is why the Chines dont have all the magic weapons (anti-stealth, 1000km range anti AWACs weapon, Laser weapons ect.) because if they did they would have invaded Taiwan! This post completely negates your previous post BTW.
 
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