Military History | How To Make War | Wars Around the World Rules of Use How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Armed Forces of the World Discussion Board
Sign In   Return to Topic Page
Subject: USA vs EU
gixxxerking    1/6/2005 6:13:25 PM
This is the mood in the Fighters forums so I thought I would just declare war here instead. C'mon all you armchair generals, who wins this fight?
 
Quote    Reply

Email Me When A New Comment Is Made
Show Only Poster Name and Title     Newest to Oldest
gixxxerking    1152 150kt MIRVs...lol...bawawawawa....muhahahah....NOD your killing me   2/18/2005 12:42:08 AM
Try less than 200 for the U.K.! You only have 58 missiles. Not all carry full compliment of warheads. Not enough for 4 SSBNs. Also doesnt count for the fact that mot all are servicable. So actual number is likely to be 50 to 54 missiles! But the best part is that LM services the U.K. Missiles in Georgia! Kings Bay, Georgia to be precise. Where the missiles are serviced between patrols. So after a year of neglect you may have 50% operational. Still powerful but only enough for 2 SSBNs. And even then they would be of questionable reliability. Of course you still have the French who make their own missiles but this is a far cry from 8 SSBNs. More like 3 to 4 at sea MAX during a surge if you plan on having reasonable rotations in case war doesnt happen. But I still woudnt pre-emptively nuke you. But neither would you. By 3 to 6 months into the shooting war your SSBNs will be 0 operational if the US can successfully block access to EU SSBN bases and destroy them in airstrikes.
 
Quote    Reply

gf0012-aust    RE:1152 150kt MIRVs...lol...bawawawawa....muhahahah....NOD your killing me   2/18/2005 3:46:34 AM
"Try less than 200 for the U.K.! You only have 58 missiles." gixx, know thy enemy. The UK has MIRVs. Its only France that has slapshots IIRC.
 
Quote    Reply

trib    RE:1152 150kt MIRVs...lol...bawawawawa....muhahahah....NOD your killing me   2/18/2005 3:55:35 AM
gix, on your nuke estimation, you have forgotten about the French Air base currently in operation in french Guyana. They can field ASMP missile pretty fast....
 
Quote    Reply

bazos    RE:Hey guys a little light reading courtesy of the gix...   2/18/2005 4:30:46 AM
modern world( way of life ,technology, science ,economy , social science etc...) has been invented by US .except british european contribution to the the creation of modern world is nothing comapre to US brought!!!
 
Quote    Reply

gixxxerking    gf0012 -- Take your own advice   2/18/2005 4:32:06 AM
As I said, about 200 hundred MIRVs
 
Quote    Reply

Jiun Si    EU-Mideast Strategic positioning   2/18/2005 5:06:27 AM
One strength of the EU is its strategic geographical location with respect to the Mideast. The EU should attack US military bases in the region and hold it by way of Turkey, Iran and Syria. Deploy SSBN/ SSNs and put mines to seal off the waters from the USN. This can be very effective through cooperation with the Europe-Mideastern separation line of states. The essence here is speed-quickness. If Russia lends a helping hand to the EU, I cannot see the US regaining control of the Arab region. Of course, the EU (+ Russia, Iran, Turkey and Syria) needs common understanding, perseverance and the utmost determination to put off the USN decisively. So, the point here is just the EU alone facing the US? I believe the biggest stake here is the Mideast, so we cannot leave out the 'interaction' with the Arab states. Of course, aim the EU strategic nuke ICBMs at the US and deploy a few SSBN/ SSNs to the US eastern coast at the same time. What can the US do now without triggering a trans-Atlantic (or even global) catastrophe to avoid simply giving up the region?
 
Quote    Reply

gf0012-aust    gf0012 -- Take your own advice - gixx   2/18/2005 5:16:13 AM
the terminology is warheads. MIRV refers to total captive mounts. Gixx, a little lesson in missiles. The UK SSBN force alone is 16 slots x 8 MIRV/warheads per launch vehicle. x 4 subs. Thats a 512 warhead potential on the subs. If one sub is out on maint, thats only 128 warheads reduced from the total sub count. In a full on cycle to war, all mounts will go active - they'll be pulled out of deep maint faster than free beer at a wharfies picnic. Refer Naval Forces, Janes Naval Ships, Janes Underwater Weapons and Bakers.
 
Quote    Reply

gf0012-aust    RE:gf0012 -- Take your own advice - gixx - conservative   2/18/2005 5:48:35 AM
BTW, the UK SSBN's can technically fit 12 shotters on their mounts. Thats actually a 768 warhead delivery option. I've quoted 8 as a conservative load out. If they dial up 12 slotters, even with 1 boat out, that leaves 576 nukes. I don't know where you get your figures, but it isn't from a credible source. If you don't want to accept Janes or Bakers, then the RN Mod site will probably tell you the same. 4 x 16 x 12 = 768. One hopes that it's not Wikpaedia. ;)
 
Quote    Reply

giblets    RE:Scenario Update 2   2/18/2005 5:52:22 AM
"For all those who clearly misunderstand the scenario. The US starts the scenario by reinforcing Iceland with forces leaving Europe during the period of tension." And for those who HAVE been reading, we are hoping to change the scenario so that all the earlier assertions that have been proved false or too many problems to overcome can be totally ignored. The next scenario update will involve totally missing out any fight for the skies and will start with the US having total air and sea superiority, so that we can ignore any problems getting to that point first.
 
Quote    Reply

TDHM    RE:gf0012 -- Take your own advice - gixx - conservative   2/18/2005 6:14:16 AM
Of course Gary, Gixx is probably taking into account the US going into Wartime build up for one year, whilst the RN keeps its Missiles at Kings Bay not too mentioning keeping the sub strategic emphasis on its SSBN's... Go figure that one out...
 
Quote    Reply



StrategyWorld.com© 1998 - 2012StrategyWorld.com. All rights Reserved. StrategyWorld.com, StrategyPage.com, FYEO, For Your Eyes Only and Al Nofi's CIC are all trademarks of StrategyWorld.com Privacy Policy