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Subject: USA vs EU
gixxxerking    1/6/2005 6:13:25 PM
This is the mood in the Fighters forums so I thought I would just declare war here instead. C'mon all you armchair generals, who wins this fight?
 
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gixxxerking    Look whos talking...Bluewings   1/12/2005 9:56:20 PM
"Just admit it . No one on Earth has the power to come to Europe and win ." --BLUEWINGS The Soviets, Now Russians, might also disagree.
 
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gixxxerking    How Ironic...   1/12/2005 10:01:53 PM
...The French(Bluewings)retreat first!
 
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A Patriot    RE:How Ironic...   1/12/2005 10:06:50 PM
Russians? O my... NowI've seen everything... I'm not going to bother comig to this thread ever again. Simply stupidity at it's ultimate climax... I hope.
 
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gixxxerking    Yeah Russians...   1/12/2005 10:21:39 PM
You dont think EU pride kept them out do you. With out the USA EU would be NU or SU, Nazi or Soviet Union.
 
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gf0012-aust    Operators   1/12/2005 10:21:42 PM
No offence, but one of the things I look at it in threads like this is how many of the "known" operators with an "established" background respond. There are bugger all americans of the above profile responding with the same jingostic responses. personally, I'd be paying more attention if people like displacedjim, albany rifles, mike-golf USN-MID, Worcester, Shaken and Ex-98C were hammering down the doors. Some of those blokes are "in the game" - the fact that they aren't hooking in with the same unbridled response kind of says something. Precision, Power, Projection, Penetration. Pallets and Political Will and Intent, if they can't be applied in a concentric manner consistently - then you don't have a party to write home about.
 
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gf0012-aust    Operators - addendum    1/12/2005 10:24:28 PM
my apols to some of the americans I might have left out, there's actually more, but I think their credentials are already established.
 
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gixxxerking    RE:Operators - addendum    1/12/2005 10:33:24 PM
Thats a bit narrow minded to think those are the only Americans "in the game" dont you think? I seems like the Europeans dont like when an American has to bring reality home. Some of us just got back from the "game". So we know what were talking about.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Operators - addendum    1/12/2005 10:54:57 PM
that may be so, but when you make empirical statements about things like sub warfare which are patently incorrect, then it kind of colours the impression. The reality is that people will be judged on past history, performance and comments - it's how we form impressions. and perception is usually defined as an interim truth. as for me, I have the luxury of being twixt america and europe - so I'm playing neutral in this supposed military imbroglio.
 
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gixxxerking    RE:Operators - addendum    1/12/2005 11:12:08 PM
Well I'm not claiming to know everything. But my so far out to think USN cant protect itself from EU subs? And if I made a mistake about subs, is it any more severe as EU guys claiming Rafales are superior to F-15s. C'mon these are opinions. I recently participated in a joint excersise with USN on the U.S.S. Constellation before it was withdrawn and they had an excellent ASW capability. Do I think USN would win each and every time, no. But I do think the USN has the advantage in the Atlantic and could deploy 4 CSGs near enough to EU to attack if for some reason we suddenly became enemies. Maybe because of language barriers there is some misunderstanding. My attack scenario is what I would do. Im looking for the EU counter move. I'm not saying it would definately work and the EU cant stop it. A lot of variables to be determined on the battlefield by people on the ground. But IMO, on any given day I think the USN could beat the EU Navy and attack EU land. I want EU opinion and counter points. Its not personal.
 
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ex-98C    RE:ex-98C...I did explain it in detail...   1/12/2005 11:35:16 PM
?Say 4 Carrier Strike Groups also fire TLAM. Thats another 2000 cruise missiles? I assume this a cut from the post in which you went into more detail. My question is how you think 4 carrier groups are going to launch 2000 TLAMs. Each carrier would have usually about 4 AGEIS (Ticos and Burkes)escorts equipped to fire TLAMs. This would give you 16 ships with an approximate average of 100 VLS cells per ship. So if EVERY VLS cell had TLAMs and the AGEIS escorts carried no SAMs or ASROCs the maximum number of TLAMs is 1600. A more reasonable number for such a fleet is 600-800, and if you fire all of those what are you going to use for follow-on strikes? PS I?m gonna take a crack at some of RM-Nods questions though its going to take a little while
 
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