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Subject: Churchill vs de Gaulle
human7    10/2/2004 8:54:01 AM
Who was the better leader?
 
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bsl    RE:Churchill vs de Gaulle   10/6/2004 11:51:14 PM
Who was the better leader? If the standard used to judge involves the profit of France, obviously, DeGaulle. If we adopt a lower standard, such as the good of the world, then we'd be compelled to choose Churchill.
 
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bigfella    RE:Churchill vs de Gaulle: big fella   10/7/2004 2:18:25 AM
"this objectiv cannot be seen as a "declaration of war" to the vietminh since there were not independentist revendications yet." I'm not quite sure what this means, but Ho Chi Minh declared Vietnam's independence on Sept. 2 1945, BEFORE French troops had returned to the Nth (except, of course, those imprisoned by the Japanese after 5 years of collaboration). France had no right to be there, and about a million Vietnamese died as a result. Any involvement on DeGaulle's part (and there was a good deal) simply made things worse.
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:Churchill vs de Gaulle: big fella   10/7/2004 2:35:56 PM
"I'm not quite sure what this means, but Ho Chi Minh declared Vietnam's independence on Sept. 2 1945, BEFORE French troops had returned to the Nth (except, of course, those imprisoned by the Japanese after 5 years of collaboration). France had no right to be there, and about a million Vietnamese died as a result. Any involvement on DeGaulle's part (and there was a good deal) simply made things worse." So could you explain to me why Ho chi minh played with the French to kick China out of Indochina, and then tried find a compromise with french leaders between an independance, and a protectora status. And if i remember well, Ho chi min was not the leader of all vietnamese political movements, and the vietnamese communism was not really implanted in the population yet .. So he was certainly not abble to speak for all "his" people.
 
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