Italy Vs Spain

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Nemesis1 RE:Italy Vs Spain 7/23/2004 6:52:17 PM

What weapons do eachc ountry use in regards to tanks, planes and ships. Plz provide info and i will reserach. Links would be helpful thanx Nemesis

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Raslin RE:Italy Vs Spain 7/24/2004 1:17:30 AM

I would say Spain, since it seems to use many german and variant-german equipment, while italy tries to create a good amount of its own stuff, but its not exactly the top of the line, at least compared to the top of the line of leading weapons nations. I believe spain also has a larger military budget.

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Imperial Italia RE:Italy Vs Spain 7/25/2004 2:36:33 PM

?I would say Spain, since it seems to use many german and variant-german equipment, while italy tries to create a good amount of its own stuff, but its not exactly the top of the line, at least compared to the top of the line of leading weapons nations. I believe spain also has a larger military budget ? Not much of it it seems. Only German tanks. Italy does create good amounts of her own stuff, the problem is, with the small defense budget that Italy has (only $28 billion), it's not so easy. But if Italy goes to war with Spain, both countries will skyrocket their defense expenditure. Since Italy's economy is better, it will be easier for Italy to win, because she'll easily make her own products, and at top notch quality. But Italian weapons' minimle effectiveness has changed now that Italy has dropped conscription. Now Italy will spend more money on weapons, and I promise to you that Italian weapons will be great. ('Sides, only 200 Leo 2Es are in Spain. How could they possibly win?)

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Tercio Italy Vs Spain 7/26/2004 4:10:40 AM

And the trigger of this hypothetical conflict is...?, soccer?, too many Italian guys trying to pick up with Spanish girls in Costa del Sol?, Spanish claims stating Spanish olive oil is better than Italian olive oil?, too many Spanish Erasmus students messing is Florence?. Are you a wargamer fan?. Tercio

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Imperial Italia RE:Italy Vs Spain 7/26/2004 1:14:57 PM

Haha, funny guy, Tercio. Hehe. How about the war begins when Italy attacks a Spanish submarine trespassing Italian waters?

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Danuas RE:Italy Vs Spain 7/26/2004 1:34:12 PM

I donno. Italy i guess??

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Danuas Better Trained? 7/26/2004 1:36:22 PM

You are saying that Italy troops are better trained. Now, what makes you think that?????? well because you are ProItalian but other then that, what??

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Tercio RE:Italy Vs Spain 7/27/2004 3:06:47 AM

"How about the war begins when Italy attacks a Spanish submarine trespassing Italian waters". Let's think about some scenarios: - Real scenario (Italy and Spain are allies). A Spanish sub, involved in a joint exercise with the Italian Navy, is accidentally attacked by a Italian vessel. If the attack doesn't hit the Spanish sub, nothing really important happens, but for the Italian commander...If the Spanish sub is hit or sunk, a major diplomatic incident can erupt, that would finish in an awful lot of apologies from the Italian side (and an earthquake in the Italian government, the Italian Navy high command fired as a whole, and so on...). And that's all, and examples are there (I'm not sure about the details, but there was an incident among the US Navy and the Australian Navy of that kind in the past: American figthers accidentally attacked an Australian vessel, have you listened about any US vs Australia war as a consequence of that?). - "Delirium tremens" scenario: A Spanish sub tries a sneak attack in order to sink the "Giuseppe Garibaldi" in port, and Italian ASW frigate catchs it. Then, my friend, I don't know what can happen. I only can guess that the result would be a stalemate: the Italian and the Spanish Navy are not so different in assets, then it's not clear one would be capable of anhilate the other. Even if one side is able to get full control of the sea, either Italy or Spain has the problem that it has to lift a expeditionary force by sea, and neither side has the possibility of raise a ground force capable of beat the other side's Army in its own lot. Better informed posters than me would be able to provide a better input. I still don't see this thread out of a wargaming point of view. Tercio

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Imperial Italia RE:Italy Vs Spain 7/27/2004 12:08:24 PM

True, Tercio. It is impossible for either side to land troops on the other. And it will be hard for either navy to take control of the other. But I think Italy can take charge of the situation and win. Maybe not by invading Spain, but by completely destroying her as much as possible, or force the Spanish economy to collapse, or maybe just occupy or threaten certain Spanish territories that are not part of mainland Spain. For example, the Belaric islands, Ceuta and Melila.

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densoflex RE:Italy Vs Spain 7/28/2004 4:24:39 AM

Does someone knows what are the real respective forces of both countries (fighters/ships/tanks/etc)? And what about the Special Forces? On a previous thread, a poster regarded very highly of Italian Navy Commandos. What about the Spaniards? Densoflex

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